2020 Mock Draft Contest Results

-by DNOMN8R314

The NFL adapted virtually when preparing this year’s NFL draft. For the NEPFF mock contest, so did we.

While several commenters did, y’know, proper research, others made their picks in… other ways. Hugo, reigning title holder and winner in three of the four years of this thing, submitted a board whose six spots were kickers and next four were quarterbacks. Kerthwap said during the draft he picked players based on “funny names.” I went almost entirely based on names I’d heard on Twitter and 15 minutes (interspersed with typing) of looking at combine results.

And since this was a Bill Belichick draft, we sucked.

Only three entries got any picks right, and each correct mock only named one player who became a Patriot. Each pick was also a unique one, so the solo points proved unnecessary, and as often happens, every guess of a round was incorrect.

The first two correct guesses came during the third round of the draft. Belichick’s selection of Anfernee Jennings netted memokerobi six points (plus two for solo), while his taking Dalton Keene meant markpatriots scooped up two points (plus one solo).

That was it for the draft picks.

Then came the UDFAs… which may not be official yet, but I’m writing this as if they are. (If things change, I will edit the post.)

And as last year’s results were decided by a UDFA signing, so were these.

Remember when I mentioned those 15 minutes (interspersed with typing) of looking at combine results?

Myles Bryant ran a 6.81 three-cone, fastest of any cornerback at the combine and fourth-fastest of all players there. Since Belichick likes taking cornerbacks late (such as Ken Webster last year) or as UDFAs (such as D’Angelo Ross last year), I stuck Bryant as a 7th-round guess at the very top of my board.

And with Bryant signing with New England as a UDFA, those eight points – only half-points, but enough – plus five for solo, mean that your author, DNOMN8R314, has won his second mock contest title.

Congrats to the other scorers and thanks to all who entered. I wasn’t planning to follow the draft this year but had a lot of fun with you all during the three days of coverage.

We’re on to further quarantine.

All entries can be read here (link).

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N’Keal Harry is putting in the work this offseason and doing what he can to better himself for the 2020 season
It really feels like he’s putting himself in a good position to make a Year 2 jump, and it seems like it could be a benefit to him to have Stidham at quarterback and not Brady. With Stidham he can just play, as opposed to thinking so much with Brady.

From weei

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Reiss: One NFL scout pointed to Thomas as a player who likely would have been drafted if solely for football, but his dismissal from Miami’s program at the end of his sophomore season contributed to him not being picked (he returned to the Hurricanes in 2019 under a different coaching staff and served a two-game suspension last season as well). The 5-foot-8, 170-pound Thomas is fast, shifty and explosive, with the possibility of bringing a dynamic playmaking element to an offense that lacks that type of threat. Teams are often more comfortable taking risks with undrafted players than draft picks,… Read more »

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Tomorrow, for the first time after more than 2 months of general lockdown we will be allowed to have a walk outside home.

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Our state restrictions ends tomorrow as well. Ours had some flexibility to it, we’ve been able to go outside for solo exercise and such things. It ends tomorrow completely, with no restrictions. This worries me a great deal, as I suspect all too many people will look at it as an excuse to celebrate in large groups.

I’d have greatly preferred we just eased restrictions, rather than flat out ending them.

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Got it. Hedge by the Cowboys. Prescott has yet to sign the FT. This gives them a solid, experienced starter in place but suggests things may have ratcheted up to the point where or they’re at least concerned enough about the possibility that he sits out.

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If Prescott gets traded, do you think the Pats would be potential suitors?

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Extremely unlikely he gets traded. First, he has to sign the franchise tag. Which means he has new contract in place with whatever team he is being traded to. That team then has to absorb the contract, it ca’t be heavily bonus pro-rated because Dallas would eat the bonus. And all of that means, Dallas would have to allow him to shop for a team since he has exclusive designation. So, you need !) Very attractive assets, 2) Crap ton of cap space. 3) Willing to do a massive long-term QB contract.

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IT’S NEWTON BABY…..NOPE
IT’S DALTON BABY….NOPE
ITSSTIDBABY…HELL YEAHHHHHH.

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Needs a better nickname than Stid though.

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Stid the kid

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Sexually transmitted disease ham

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better yet.. Sexually Transmitted Infectious Disease Ham– S.T.I.D.HAM

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Studham

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He’s going to have to earn that one.

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Here is the thing for me. Many are calling Jarred Stidham the “kid”, Stid ot Studham but I know this fan base. If Stidham plays badly and IF the TEAM goes 0-3 to start the season or worse I fear a lot of people will be saying he sucks and will be calling for his head. Once this Patriots go down the path of not bringing in a lot of serious competition at QB we need to stick with him for the 16 game season. This is why I was open to bring in Andy Dalton or others. My belief… Read more »

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I’m down with whatever path BB takes but I think if he goes out there and just plain sucks BB will put Hoyer in .
I dont think he will be judge off wins if he’s playing well enough .
If he just don’t play well after three games and shows he’s just not capable I’m sure Hoyer will be ready or if they feel whichever rookie they keep is ready then he plays .

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I have been to hundreds of Patriots games and many of them before Brady and the winning championship ways. I have heard the chants of the backup QB’s name whoever that was at the time after a bad pass or yet another 3 and out.

I” dont think he will be judge off wins if he’s playing well enough .”

I hope you are right and it doesn’t happen but I have seen it before.

Hoyer is not a long termed solution. He is a Journeyman QB.

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I doubt BB cares about fans chants if he feels his QB is playing well.
Well that’s why Hoyer won’t be starting

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I know we shouldn’t hang it all on the QB and receivers, but we’ll have to see what group of receivers we end up with as well. Even Brady didn’t do particularly great last year with this crop of receivers… and O line… and TEs.

Will we cut Stidham the same slack that we cut for Brady, considering who ends up around him?

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No one knows for sure but for 20 years the Pats have been at the top of the NFL. That is a generation of fans. No one knows how the fans we react if the Patriots finish with a bad record. I am not saying that will happen but buyer beware.

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One thing I attribute solely to Belichick is his ability to get the team to stand behind the QB. He has a way of convincing 52 guys that the starting QB is their key to success.

He did it with Brady when Bledsoe went down.
He dit it with Cassel when Brady went down.
He did it with Jimmy G when Brady was suspended.
He did it with Brissett when Jimmy G went down.

He has a knack for getting the whole team to fight for each other, don’t underestimate that.

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But they hate their coach now.

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Haven’t they always though?

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Of course. But he doesn’t have Brady to kick around anymore, so he’ll channel that anger towards the rest of the team.

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Anyway, to answer Boney’s question from earlier….I’m actually doing quite well. Back to the day job earlier this week (how they survived without me, I have no idea), and last night I did four hours at the liquor store, albeit without the heavy lifting. Got short of breath early on, but calmed down toward closing time. Still a ways to go to get my wind back, and I’ve probably lost about 10 pounds, but I’m on the comeback trail 🙂 Now, should I have a beer or not? Still got that Great Divide Brewing Coffee Porter in the fridge, and… Read more »

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Good to hear, Fro.

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That mostly sounds good, fro. Glad to hear you are healthier.

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So you had it bad – not everyone gets pneumonia – really glad you didn’t have complications

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Live in denial all you want but ITSSTIDBABY.

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Change your name then!!

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Its coming

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Dude you’re stalling

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From Rich Ohrnberger: “I’ve heard it now from A LOT of people close to the Patriots. They really believe in Jarrett Stidham.”

Interesting….

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19-0

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You’re such a pessimist: 23-0

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He’s always been the wet blanket!

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Like I’ve been saying all along. We’re rolling with Stidham!! 🙂

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Hi Nate!

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Whether they really do or not, it makes the most sense to give him the starting role for 2020 and see how he does. 2021 is the year they get back into competitiveness.

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How are you today, Fro?

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His jokes are funny, but they aren’t haha funny. I am guessing he is feeling 70-80% better.

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So he’s Henny Youngman, but alive.

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Hope to see news footage of the Blue Angels and Thunderbirds. Last time I saw them was in Baltmore where they flew around the Inner Harbor and surrounding areas for Baltimore’s 200 year celebration of the War of 1812. Cool sight.

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YouTube has videos of them over nyc from last week

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You should have gone up on your roof.

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Nope..nope..nope. I value my life.

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You wouldn’t have had to wear a mask!!

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I’m still trying to figure out when the 200th anniversary of the War of 1812 was….

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No math!!

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Let x be the year of the anniversary, y = 1812, z = 200. Then x = y + z. Which means x^2 = (y+z)^2 = y^2 + 2yz + z^2. This means that (x^2 – y^2 – z^2)/2 = yz. Solve for x.

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The equation resolves to inanity. Inanity is infintely better than insanity, which looms with increased periods of isolation. I really hadn’t previously understood how much we humans depend on personal interaction to stay sane.

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All I know about the war of 1812 is from the Johnny Horton song.

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I think there were bombs bursting in air or something like that….

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the Johnny Horton song is better

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Bacon and beans always make a song better.

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You just have to find the right Key…….

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Chicago not picking up the 5th year option for Mitchell- they’re going to tank for Trevor.

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They have the same problem the Patriots do with that plan: their defense is too good to be that bad.

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https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2020/05/02/extremely-small-chance-that-there-will-be-no-nfl-season-in-2020/ The player/ team/ staff part seems in good order but I have a very hard time seeing the fan access part of this: 1) Potential Fall “Second Wave”, 2) When this first struck gatherings were 250 limit…then 50… then 10… All of sudden, 70-80K people in the same place? Sure. No problem 3) Chances of something going wrong: high. One patient zero x possible infections in that large/ congested a climate x number of new infections X exponential growth into other environments: disastrous. States/ Cities are going to risk a healthcare system collapse on football games? 4) Main liability… Read more »

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What happens if the virus manages to hit a team despite the testing? Forfeit every game for a few weeks?

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The daily testing protocol they anticipate to have at that point would significantly limit potential full exposure. But the team may not be able to play that week if quarantine is necessary. If something did occur with a full team wide outbreak, yes, the team would be eliminated. The NBA as part of their re-implementation was considering breaking into 5-6 team pods and if anyone tested positive on any team in the pod the entire pod would be eliminated. I think Steve Kerr’s comments the other day killed any more regular season games though. The reality there was that there… Read more »

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How about we crawl under a blanket and hope it all goes away

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yeah we have been doing that for 6 weeks. people want to do it for another 6 months. insane

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Which people “want” to do it for another 6 months?

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I don’t, but I will if it means we manage to flatten the curve and KEEP it that way. Even the governor of Mississipi has now decided to re-think his opening up policy after a huge spike in infections over the last couple of days.

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The Jets have some level of interest in former Bengals QB Andy Dalton, a source said. At this point, it has been characterized as due diligence. They could be looking to solidify the position, as their only experienced backup is David Fales.

The money on Andy Dalton might not be as high as people think because he could be looked at as a back up by most of the league.

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Thor Bjornsson just deadlifted a world-record 1,104.52 pounds aka Trent Brown + Dontari Poe + Mekhi Becton with 35 extra pounds to spare

Sweet mother of mercy..

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“The Mountain”

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Ponder this..if Edelman becomes a truly devout Jew, would he catch passes faithfully from StidHAM?

I’ll see myself out.

Happy Saturday folks!

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It could “hamburger”.

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Front lawn done 🙂

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you are supposed to be inside dude. with a mask on

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Not doing it- the grass doesn’t stop growing.

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get one of your son-in-laws to do it.

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Kind of a long drive for the one in Ohio!!

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Did mine too

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Slacker!! Got my whole lawn done.

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I’ll do the back tomorrow.

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The league will release its 2020 schedule late next week without any major changes, league spokesman Brian McCarthy confirmed — including a Sept. 10 opener, the Super Bowl on Feb. 7 and visions of fans in the stands.

“We plan to start on time,” McCarthy said.

That’s the first piece of good news I’ve had in months. I’ll take it

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oh great here comes Smack to tell us we need to stay in our house for the next 10 years

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Hey what’s going on Jon. You staying sane out there in Lefty Land?

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how it going bud. healthy and miserable and u?

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I’m down in Panama. was doing fishing charters until the virus hit and they shut the border down to tourists. No flights are available out of here so I’m still here helping my cousin work his gill net boat since he has the virus and no one will work with him. Been rough but I guess it’s been rough for many. My wife also has the virus but she says it’s not too bad. Wish I was there though

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my lord. hope everyone gets better soon

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Appreciate it. I’ve been through worse, so there’s always that. Just tired of all the bullshit. People keep talking about staying inside till there’s a vaccine. I can’t do that bro and most of the people I know can’t either. So I’m worried

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if I hear stay home stay safe we are in it together one more time I might lose it. I even told Tom to shut up when I saw him on tv saying that

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Yeah, I don’t need millionaires sending videos from their homes in Aspen or Malibu telling me we’re in it together.

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exactly

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Fake News Jon, but who cares?
I’m actually starting to work in my office next Monday

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good for you. its all about you. 30 million are unemployed here comrade

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and do you think people aren’t unemployed here too?

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im not the one who has been lecturing people that we need to sit at home forever. you cant hide from a virus

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I never said that, all i said is for people to protect themselves in the first wave, but it is everybody decision, not mine.
But we already abble to protect ourselves much better now.
That’s all i said, we need to adapt to the new circunstances (washing hands over and over, masks, social distancing, protected work places, etc, etc

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sure.

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Do you think i want to stay at home, do you think i’m not also being hit in my small business?
But the idea of a quick spread would be even worse, because people would fear to work and people would fear to buy, unless it was not online.

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smack, we know all this. I think what were is saying is that many of us don’t have the luxury to work at home or we’re essential or whatever. We understand that people are dying. It’s obvious But many of us are in bad shape right now. And we can’t wait indefinitely. Things are getting worse.

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Enash, 15% of portuguese economy is related with tourism. The demand for those companies is already gone and won’t return soon, because people are scared. The problem is not only people that want to work, if you have no demand so the problem is there the same way.

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I’m just concerned, that’s all. And I’m tired of being talked down to by others like I’m an idiot and don’t understand the situation. I don’t they understand mine and of others but hey, nobody ever said life is fair

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But would it be cool if people didn’t have lost their jobs but people like me had lost my parents, uncles and grandparents, right?
Only the strong survive, right?

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you lost your parents?

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No, i didn’t lost any relatives so far. But my grandad is at nurse home and i couldn’t talk to him since March 16, 2 days before my birthday.
My parents almost are 70 and they are at home and safe for mow because preventive quarantine worked well so save as many as possible

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yeah keep older people and people who have conditions at home. the healthy should have been allowed to go back to work. hiding doesn’t work. the virus will still be there

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and they are gonna stay.
I’m able to return and i want to return to work at the office

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well good for you.CA is on lockdown till whenever the king says

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I feel for you jon. I would go crazy if I was in Cali right now.

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Seeming healthy and young people can carry and get it too. Young people aren’t invincible. All the science of this virus is not fully known yet. IMO, we all should respect that.

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Science also says society cant hide from a virus. but ok ignore that

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We are talking live and death here. Don’t ignore that.
You keep calling it hiding. I think it is doing the best for each other’s health.

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people under 18 basically don’t die from this unless they have a condition. you should look at the data and science

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Bullshit. They can die, or at the least carry and inadvertently infect others.

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wow im sorry you lost all those people that’s crazy

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30 million? Damn, that’s crazy jon. It’s worse than I thought

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30 million as of this week. we shall see about next week

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How many people work in your office?

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We are 4 partners, i work in the insurance business, we already lost 20% of our monthly business in April

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would losing 100 percent suck or no?

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of course, it would. But do you know i have no right for unemployment beneficts because i’m my own boss and our government think we are all rich people?

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It sucks, I know. I managed to get in a solid 2 months of high season here but I lost Semana Santa. So I made about 30% less this year than last year. And I really needed that to make it through till fall.

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But we have the lack of confidence on the demand right now. Even if we offer any good or service but no one wants to buy the businesses are at risk
We all need to increase our confidence to make our life (as workers and as buyers), but all the changes we are gonna make in our lives slowly will increase that confidence. I hope.

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Fans in the stands is probably not realistic but otherwise it’ll be all on the plan and the players following the plan.

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yeah I’m not sure about the fans part either but have to wait and see. I’m biased, if there is a season I can go back to Miami and I’ll have a job. Plus, I like watching football

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jobs are good

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Yes sir

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Well, I think everyone hopes that’s how it goes.

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Could have fooled me. All I see lately are people yelling to cancel everything for the year.

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And a lot of places are. The summer theater down the road in the town my parents live just canceled their season and that’s the #1 tourist draw there. Not that I expect we’re getting many tourists around here anyway this year.

And they’re asking season ticket holders not to ask for refunds and to even donate money if they can because they’ve put out $3M for the year for the preproduction and operations.

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Welp, the Blue Angels and Thunderbirds are flying over DC and Baltimore right now. Given the path we wouldn’t be able to see them here but I figured maybe at least hear them. Nope…… the brigade of neighborhood lawn mowers are drowning out any chance. The only aircraft we’ve heard and seen are the multiple choppers heading to Camp David.

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I’ll be starting my mower in 30 minutes 🙂

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LOL

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I haven’t started my mower in ten weeks. It would run away as soon as it saw my yard if I did start it.

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I miss my old house, was two miles from the runways, and right under the pattern for T-38s all day, and for the T-Birds’ display. Mostly only crows fly over here.

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Randolph AFB? I know they had those in the 80’s.

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I always forget you are in NOVA(or thereabouts), MC. It’s pretty in NOVA/DC and it’s surrounding area for infections.

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Looking at the end of this draft – we took all 3 OL positions – I’m guessing BB said to Caserio – make sure what happened last summer doesn’t happen again (two signed FAs retired on us, Andrews blood clot)

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Maybe. I interpreted as they didn’t want to compete with other teams in UDFA for those guys and were willing to burn the picks on them.

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Practice squad guys

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I think all three make the team – my reasoning is Cannon’s price/production is upside down, Froholdt could go to PS, Andrews has no backup.

Just a guess

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May 9th is the release date for nfl schedule
It will be flexible a schedule and if college football cancels their season the nfl will switch some games to Saturday

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For competitive reasons – preparation/recovery – the Thurs night game could be moved to Sat night (if no college). Not sure what the $ implications are though.

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That will be a big bonus having Saturday’s to help offset stadium revenue loss. ESPN had an article last week about where college football is at and the challenges they face and they were just really talking to coaches and some ADs about the scheduling and tea issues. And just that part’s a mess. Then you have, that they didn’t even include, the reality around players living in dorms, going to cafeterias, going to libraries, going to student unions… I mean how schools are actually going to be able to operate in this climate is unbelievably difficult to imagine. How… Read more »

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I could see certain colleges shutting down campuses like BC and Rutgers, if that happens then the acc and big ten have a tough decision to make

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I could see most colleges shutting down campuses. I can’t see how they can open them. It’s nearly certain to get onto a campus at any school in any relatively decent populated area. And once it’s there, it’s going to just run wild.

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The hospitals are not full of college kids
I can see major college programs trying everything they can to have a season

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Sure. And who runs the facilities? Who runs the library? Who teaches the classes? Who coaches the teams? Who administers the school? Who attends the games? Who runs the concessions? If colleges are going to have the kids teach themselves, coach themselves and run the universities and programs… he, it might work. otherwise, they’re going to need a whole lot of other people who might not want to put themselves on the line for that. And from the colleges it spreads out into the communities as whole. It spreads back to hometowns and into other citiers where those teams travel.… Read more »

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I laid out my 3 step plan for pro and college teams to have a season with safe fan participation back 2 or 3 articles ago.

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From providence journal:
After selecting Rob Gronkowski in the second round and Aaron Hernandez in the third round of the 2010 NFL Draft, the Patriots went nine straight drafts without taking a tight end in the first four rounds. In that span only Lee Smith (fifth round in 2011), A.J. Derby (sixth round in 2015) and Ryan Izzo (seventh round in 2018) were picked by the Pats.

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They did a better job of addressing their #2 QB position through the draft than their TE position during this time.

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We focus on the production (catches/yards/TDs) but BB focuses on the run blocking. Gronk was the best at both.

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Sports radio yesterday made a point saying the pats could have drafted Calvin Ridley two years ago and signed Jared cook at te last off-season
If that were to happen maybe Brady doesn’t leave

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The Pats supposedly tried to get in Cook last year but the Saints were too far along with him by the time Gronkowski retired.

Brady leaving seems to more to do with just being here as long as he had. And quite honestly,it’s really time anyway. Cut it anyway you like but a 43 year-old coming off his worst season as a pro isn’t a great investment anyway.

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They went 12-4, in the end it was the defense that failed them

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Maybe in the sense that the D (and ST) couldn’t score TDs in every game and certainly weren’t as prolific at doing it later in the season.

Otherwise, the defense was #1 in points allowed, #1 in yards allowed, #2 in TO created, #1 in 1D allowed, #2 in pass yards allowed, #1 in TD allowed, #1 in Interceptions, #6 in rush yards allowed, #1 in rush TD allowed…

“In the end”, the defense held a team to 272 yards and 14 points and the offense scored as many Touchdowns as they gave the other team in a game at home.

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Those numbers were achieved in the first 8 games when they played some really bad teams
4-5 in the second half of the season where the defense failed them especially in the biggest game of the year against the Phins

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You don’t end up the year #1 defense in the league virtually across the board and widely by a wide margin on just half a season. And the O faced just as many (if not more bad Ds) and was 15th in the league.

The O completed 55% of passes threw for 221 yards, had 2 TO including giving away 7 points in that Miami game. No one played well in that game, but at some point the offense had to win you one.

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Rewatch the game
Pats had the lead the defense let up an 80 yard drive in the 4th quarter
And again the defensive numbers were achieved in the first 8 games against inferior competition
They beat Luke falk, whooppee

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Without the defense playing the way they did last year, that team isn’t even 12-4. if you watched that team and said: Good offense, bad defense… okay. But I’m not sure what you were watching.

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They tried to get Cook but were unsuccessful.

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NFL.com listed draft rankings
Pats finished 31st with a c-grade
Packers came in last
Ravens were #1

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I like the Uche and Jennings picks. Hope can Devin Asiasi can make it the Patriots need a TE .

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You think Asiasi is going to be cut? That would be awful for a 3rd rd pick

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No. What makes you bring that up? When I say make it I mean be good.

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“Hope can Devin Asiasi can make it the Patriots need a TE .”

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When I say make it I mean be good.

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NE is going to be judged for not drafting a WR or QB.

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Well it was a deep draft for wr, that could come back to haunt them

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It could.

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I thought it was interesting that they did not draft a single WR but then picked up several as UDFAs, almost as if they felt comfortable that the depth at WR was so great there wasn’t much difference between what they could draft and sign as an UDFA. I felt the two UDFA QBs was the result of not getting their intended guy in draft.

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If they had an intended guy, it must’ve been Hurts. They passed on Love and could’ve selected any other non top 10 guy.

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You don’t think Morgan was on their board? There was a lot of smoke around his name leading up to the draft.

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Well, they ended up trading the pick that the Jets used to take him. Doesn’t mean he wasn’t on their list and they thought they could get him lower, but you never know how the draft is going to play out. You can’t have any assurance that any one guy will be available at any spot outside of #1. And that uncertainty grows more chaotic the farther down you go. Especially if you’ve got a gap of entire round and a half in your draft. So, if they were really targeting that position or a certain player, they pretty much… Read more »

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Of course. The trade up to get Keene I thought was curious because they had just grabbed the other TE Asiasi ten picks prior. Would Keene still have been there at 125 or 129? We’ll never know.

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That was a question I had, as well. And they paid a big price there. But you have to figure if they were looking for a QB, that’s about the last place you’d get in. Your chances of getting a player past and well outside of 100 that works out at that position are very slim and all of the QBs just tumbled down the board from there. And how much do you want to really invest in a small college QB anyway? So, maybe ditching the picks to make sure the player they were more interested in made sense…maybe.… Read more »

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I care less about the media but care if that was the right decision if he was right for the team. This team need depth at WR and QB.

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It was counterintuitive for sure. We’ll see who was right, BB or everybody else.

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Immediate draft grades are mere popularity contests.

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Sure we won’t know for a few years if the pats had a good draft, but based on the last 2-3 drafts it does not look good

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Good night old boy.

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night bonesauce

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Reminds me of Johnny Cash

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for those of you still here… what do you think about setting up one of those quarantine zoom (or zoom alternative) “happy hours” for PFF? might be a cool way to connect with everyone on the blog in a way we havent done before

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That would b great!!! We could match names to faces and overgrown hair!!!

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Hey!!11. I call dibs on the Nike the dog Zoom background.

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Oh hell no, I did the face thing at ESPN Boston. Scared the hell out of everyone.

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you could wear a mask.. despite how creepy it would be haha

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Or just place a picture of your stick figure Boney Maroney in front of the camera.

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I’ll participate if you do it!

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Clark? Really??? Can’t be.

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Sure it is. Brady flies the coop, and all the regulars return.

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it is kinda funny actually…

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I feel like the atlanta game ruined us

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Blasphemous. !!!

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That was actually the last game I enjoyed. The Deflategate BS, the Brady hate, and the officiating had been taking the fun out of the game for me for a few years. I’d had it by the end of the 2017 season.

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He’s baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaack!!!!!!

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I dont do cocaine… cocaine does me
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O6P2_i0Y6ms

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classic…Mick Fleetwood ascends to cocaine heaven midway through this thing

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at that point he’s transcended the earthly plane

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Did somebody say cocaine? – Lowell George
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TkVijd9g_Hk

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Shrieve!

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anybody here have a preferred cocktail they like to make at home or just straight liquors?

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I like to mix it up. I have a recipe for a vodka Quaranteani

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Do prefer single malt and bourbon most of the time though.

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fair enough… whats your quarantini recipe?

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Brew lemon ginger tea, cool to room temperature. Dissolve a teaspoon honey awhile it’s warm. Shake 8 oz of tea with 2 oz of vodka or gin over ice and serve in a chilled martini glass. For the adventurous spirit, rim the martini glass with Emergen-C. Enjoy!

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i’ve been making mojitos… but now i feel like i’m underperforming lol

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I also make a mean Aviation.

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Damn, now that’s a cocktail. For when you’re Humphrey Bogart and getting ready to tap-dance the night away?

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mainline ethanol

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hmm… while efficient… i prefer to taste my alcohol

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I make a few cocktails but they’re all varying degrees of trashy

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I go beer or seltzer. If not, whiskey neat or whiskey sour

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hey there sami… nice to see you! hope life is good

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Really? You have to ask ME that??? 🙂

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Rum and bilgewater?

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As long as the bilge water is from a vintage 1988 diesel catamaran..

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MAC! I’ve been hoping to cross your path… what’re your thoughts on Mt. Gay Black Barrel? I picked it up on my last run to the liquor store

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We’ll, Honestly I worry about something with the words Mount, Gay and barrel altogher. Not that ther’s anything wrong with that. It’s just the image.

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comment image

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Mine is a Dark and Stormy. Goslings Black Rum and Goya Ginger Beer. It has to be Goya. They add pure capsaisin to their ginger beer, and that makes all the difference. Active heat. If there were no Goya Ginger Beer, I wouldn’t drink Dark and Stormys.

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i like it… i’ve been a fan of the dark and stormy for a long time… but home-made i’ve always used either Fentiman’s alcoholic ginger beer or Reeds (seems to have a good spice)

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Well TBH. I’ve never been a fan of Goslings. Do other dark rums work?

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Well, I hesitate to offer advice to a rum aficionado such as yourself. Dark rum and Black rum are not the same thing, of course. If you like another Black rum better than Goslings, sure that is fine. Of course there is no formal definition of “Black Rum”, but there are many out there.

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I’ll have to check the ‘packy”. But I think the Peruvian rum I have could be considered a black rum.

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So this YT channel called Savage Brick Sports (bear with me) has a ton of extended NFL highlights. 20-minute compilations of fake punts, pick sixes, 90 yard receptions, etc. It’s pretty great.

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Here’s a link to the channel: https://bit.ly/35ocZCP

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Why did I know the Griff Whalen snap would be on there?

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The funniest thing about that play (other than the play) which you don’t get in a highlight – when it happened, the guys in the NBC truck cut into the commercial break with the Phil Collins song that goes “there must be some misunderstanding! There must be some kiiiiind of mistake!” Had me in stitches when it happened

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When was Fro’s last appearance?

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Good name change idea NEB!

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We’re almost back to normal now.

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did i miss something? What was the change?

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I made it #FreeBoney a while ago cause I missed Bones haha

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ahh gotcha

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anybody still out there?

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The Chain is my favorite Mac song by a mile… but Rumours is such a good album… maybe one of my top 10 all time… buckingham is sooo good

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I loved them when I was a teen, but didn’t find about the original Peter Green lineup until I was in college, prefer his blues and heavy style to the later stuff. But Buckingham is a genius in his own right, just different.

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totally fair… the whole history of the band more or less was before my time… but i agree peter green doesnt get enough credit

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I love buckingham

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not to take anything away from your link… thats an awesome jam

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good night

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Night buddy. Congrats on school

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Night, Tishan.

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Good night Trolley- hope all is well.

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Wild that Clark was here the other day

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Yeah, looks like he’s here to stay, too, even changed his screen name. Dude has always been an integral part of this group since ESPN Boston, missed him.

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Oh i love Clark. So happy to see him back. You as well, bones

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Trying to remember Clark. Not sure if I have the right guy in mind or not

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Dirtiest mind on the blog. That’s Clark 🙂

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Hi north shore. Hope all is well

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Hi Sami. Yes, so far so good. Can’t remember what the town looks like past my neighboorhood, but that;s fine. How are you doing? Have you been drafted into emergency medical service yet or are they letting you finish school?

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I’m a mere student still. My sister was supposed to get her masters in nursing next week. But unfortunately delayed. She is currently an er nurs at Brigham. Volunteering to do shifts in the ICU as well. God bless her. Hope she is safe. And you as well as north shore

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She is literally risking her life to save others’. What a brave soul.

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Tough job- and much appreciated- hope she is well.

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She has always been a role model for myself. She is doing a-ok. Appreciate the kind thoughts. Will relay them.

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Thank you- I have nothing but admiration for people working on the front lines of this virus- I don’t know how they mentally handle it.

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Anybody know a home cure for tendinitis in the achilles? Man, mine is burning bad tonight

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Ice.

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Already tried that. Melts before it does any good

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Frozen peas.

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No peas here but I’ll look for something.

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You’ve got to keep it from swelling- and elevate it.

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#1, stay off of it. Though you likely can’t do that. They make braces and boots to help, I think.

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No, I can’t do that. It’s not unbearable but if I lean the wrong way or shift my weight suddenly while holding something heavy it’s pretty bad. I’d go to the farmacia but they don’t have anything worth a crap and I don’t want to buy anything

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You need to protect it if you can’t see a doctor. Learned my lesson with this damned turf toe gone nuts, should have gone in immediately and I’d be fine. But no, I’ve always healed on my own. Not this time.

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Just don’t get hurt lmfao

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That was always my father’s mentality. Don’t get hurt in the first place

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Try soaking it in a bucket with epsom salts.

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Hugo I think Boney has been sufficiently “freed”, in case you’re still wondering.

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Yeah, Zoo too.

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What were you freed from?

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Self-exile. No football for two years.

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no kidding. Did it work for you?

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Other than the highlights of the Pats-KC playoff game, yeah, I watched nothing. Only saw that because everyone here (Mahomes country) was insisting KC got robbed. Came back here to see how everyone is faring in the pandemic, and thought what the heck, might start watching again without all the Brady melodrama and hate.

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And we thank you coming back.

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Good evening Pats fans!

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Hey.

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Evening Hugo!

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evenin!

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laugh out loud

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LOL. Dammit! Three!

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Street Legends ….Singapore Kane

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Well, it started out great with the tune from my childhood. 🙂

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I just paid on Friday night like Johnny Kemp. But not very much. Hard to stretch the dollar these days

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A very insightful observation indeed, Enash. I like your comment.

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I’m lazy so I just liked it.

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How’s the foot?

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Feels like the ligament has mostly healed, but the sesamoid bone still hurts, and now my heel hurts. Still turns beet red every night, but now the whole lower half of the leg turns that color.

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Is there a fix for that?

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No idea. He’ll probably say to have surgery to remove the sesamoid, but I have a feeling that’s not gonna fix the redness. Might be an immune response gone nuts. Tired of dealing with it, rather they just cut it off than drag this out forever.

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It may help- it may not- whatever you decide to do- I wish you the best-you deserve it. And never get in a tiff with Slayer- he’s a last word guy.

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LOL

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Hang in there- things will get better.

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Friday Night Lights.
I guess I just like seeing this side of the USA showing support for people
Small gestures with kind thoughts behind them
https://twitter.com/hashtag/lightsforthefight?src=hashtag_click

BTW…. there is a highschool out there whose team name is the Cornjerkers….there is no way that teams playing against them don’t talk crap about that 🙂

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Who can contact Frank? Can he fix it so we can see downvotes again? Nothing wrong with downvoting/disagreeing with a comment. But at least you should have to put your name behind it.

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😛

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Just teasing !!!!!!!!
I will upvote it to get rid of my downvote.

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I’ll give you a dislike just for the hell of it.

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OH YEAHHH,
I see your dislike and give you one too !!!!

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My preference would be to have no voting whatsoever, what’s the purpose? If you like or hate a comment, post a reply.

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Sometimes the passive aggressive behavior is funny but I agree they are pretty useless

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Well I think both of us remember days when Likes would indicate a certain lurker.

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Patsfanliker?

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Dave?

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I’m not sure Dave ever gave or received a like. Always thought Dingo was the Patsfanliker, but I’m probably wrong as usual. That dude put in a lot of work to like every comment on a page.

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Ditto

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Huh?

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PatsFanLiker was also a funny offshoot. No, there was a night crew member who folks were fond of trying to pull out of Lurker mode.

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I know, I was kidding.

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The voting column is used to quantify the fondness for arguments or sentiments on topics. But I agree.

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I always thought it shows that someone heard you..

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It used to. Then there was the vote counting at ESPN Boston that was a bit out of control.

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That would be the best way to set it up, true

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Fine by me. I’m lazy but not so lazy that I can’t write “ok” or “thanks” to someone if I need to

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Then again, there would be a million LOLs, and I’ve never typed LOL in my life. Dammit, and twice!

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I don’t get the LOL at all. And do people really laugh at loud when they type it? I bet they don’t. They fake it

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I’ve laughed out loud at some of the stuff I’ve read for my work, but never on a forum.

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I have laughed out loud at some things I’ve read, and that’s when I type LOL.

Calipatsfan3473
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I’m just resistant to the kids way of speaking!!

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It’s stupid.

Bones
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I’m still waiting for an account, typing in codes on every comment is a pain. Literally.

EnashWaca
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Same for me. I’ve asked for a couple years and nothing. Frank never liked me so it’s probably spite. Which I’m ok with though

Bones
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Nah, think he’s just busy these days.

EnashWaca
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Just assume its me. easier that way. I dislike most stuff anyways

bring
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Harry – guessing he starts ahead of Sanu
Williams – guessing he backs-up, but we’re stacked at corner
Winovich – guessing he starts at OLB
Harris – guessing he backs-up, but we’re stacked at rb
Cajuste – guessing he backs-up unless Cannon is traded/cut
Froholdt – backup if not cut
Stidham – guessing he starts ahead of Hoyer
Cowart – backup
Bailey – starter
Webster – on Dolphins

Not a horrible draft last year – we could see major contributions this year

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Seems BB is good with Cajuste
No tackle taken in the draft was somewhat of a surprise. I figured they would take one later in the draft as a swing tackle but maybe BB picks up a vet later down the road.
Something has to give with Cannon. He makes too much for how often he is hurt and for his subpar play and makes sense to cut for cap space

bring
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Yes, that’s what we thought – however….

I saw the thing on Pats.com with Caserio and Osenfort talking about the draft – they said the kid from Wake Forest is getting thrown into the OT competition

Which might be the last nail in Cannon’s coffin

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Nice.

bring
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Good call on Dalton Keene – was that a wild guess, or did you read/hear something?

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I knew they needed TE help and he made sense to me because his combine numbers were in the top percentile for the better TEs of the NFL so I started looking into him
I had them double dipping at TE also but had Kmet, never even thought about the guy from UCLA

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reviewing the combine results – top job!

if I recall correctly, I think caserio said they actually had a visit with him at va tech right before covid kept everyone home

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Meet Jarrett Stidham, the King of Friday Night Lights In Texas (B/R Studios)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pSGGYOvv7WU

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Matt Saracen >>>> Stidham

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You do realize I posted this earlier today, right?

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Did you just boo me Deadsmack?!

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Frank needs to fix this somehow. I want to see who down votes a comment.

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I can usually guess unless it’s a joke like Mark and I were doing.

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nope, it was not me downvotting you.
I actually just read your post a few minutes ago.

markpatriots
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Alex Smiths leg cant be unseen so be careful if you watch it on E-60 tonight and are skittish about such things

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😛 with the downvote

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where are these coming from!?

markpatriots
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No idea, I do find it funny how they are used so much now.

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https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nfl/news/nfl-free-agents-2020-best-available/1d8jmpim7m7v01azwv6uc1x327

Here are the free agents left. Below it was mention by Hugo that there were some good edge defenders , S and LB’s left . Which players do you guys like?

Some injury and age concerns among some player. One player I like is Ezekiel Ansah although he has had some injuries.

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I thought Logan Ryan would’ve resigned with TN, but after they took Fulton in the second round it looks slimmer now.

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hugo, how’s working from home been treating you?

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I can only imagine it’s tough being the ghost of a former Venezuelan President from home.

PatriotPrideBoy
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it’s certainly no fun being dead and unable to pass on

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Wonder how much Ziggy Ansah will get in FA?

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Vet deals at this point usually run low $2 to mid $3M range sometimes with incentives, but given circumstances wouldn’t surprise if a lot of guys have to play for straight vet minimum.

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I think its quite interesting that all the “big names” left are edge defenders. I don’t think that’s a coincidence.
1. Use of twists and stunts is going to keep rising
2. LB/S that are athletic are moving up the positional value spectrum at the expense of the traditional DE

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There are definitely 40 and 30 systems that are becoming more defined now by team. But sure, more systems are coming around to less reliance on the (2) edge guy philosophy. But some teams obviously still value the those guys significantly.

At this point though in free agency, it’s pretty loaded everywhere on D. There are a good 5 players at every position who could probably start for a number of teams.