Postseason Y Factors 2018: Patriots vs. Rams

-by DNOMN8R314

[NOTE: Remember, you’ve got until 5 PM Sunday to submit your SB LIII prop bets. Be sure to get yours in!]

Three years in a row. Take a moment to let that sink in.

*moment*

This will be the third consecutive Super Bowl featuring the New England Patriots as representatives from the American Football Conference, and the team’s ninth since 2001. The Patriots have appeared in nine of the last 18 Super Bowls. That’s exactly half over an 18-year span. That is unprecedented, and superbly admirable in the realm of sport.

But none of that matters once the Patriots and Rams take the field Sunday night and either Stephen Gostkowski or Greg Zuerlein kicks off. At that point, all that will matter is the next 60 minutes (or more) of game clock, the total time in February where men compete in professional football.

The Patriots are still here, and so are we. Let’s enjoy this.

This particularly rapid Patter: Most speculation about New England’s offensive attack has revolved around their forged identity as a run-first offense, particularly as Los Angeles’ run defense was ranked 32nd over the course of the 2018 season. In this idea, Sony Michel (and Rex Burkhead for spells) would control the tempo of the game, while Tom Brady and His Band of Pass-Catchers break the strings on the ground with well-timed precise passes. This may seem like a simple idea in one sentence (as are most ideas presented in one sentence), but it leaves out creative wrinkles that Bill Belichick and Josh McDaniels may choose to insert into the game plan, most notably those involving Cordarrelle Patterson. The former first-round wideout with top-tier speed has been used primarily as a wrinkle, especially on jet sweeps, but Patterson has also played significant snaps at running back in 2018; over Weeks 8 and 9, Patterson took the most touches and gained the most yards on the ground of any Patriot. Couple that with his breakaway speed that must be accounted for, and New England sports a player who, while in a limited role, can attack any area of an opposing defense at any spot on the field.

Coming in for Elandon:Β The Rams’ offense features game-changing weapons in both the passing and running game. Through the air, Jared Goff can heave passes to speedy Brandin Cooks and reliable Robert Woods, while on the ground, Los Angeles has had tremendous success placing the ball in the hands of both Todd Gurley and C.J. Anderson. A significant amount of attention has been placed on the possible matchups with New England’s secondary, but less focus has been drawn to the Rams’ running backs, unless discussing the defensive line. In all this, discussion has omitted the Patriots’ linebackers, one of whom is important to mention when considering how to stop an opponent’s run game. Despite his snap count decreasing from 53% in 2017 to 41% this season, Elandon Roberts has remained a strong run-stopping linebacker and has grown into a strong fit in that role on the roster. If the Patriots choose to aim to win by forcing Goff to make mistakes, they will have to stifle Gurley and Anderson, a task a player like Roberts itches to perform.

Crown Jules: I know that Julian Edelman is the Patriots’ #1 wide receiver, a Foxboro phenomenon, and a certain red-jacket recipient years from now, and there is ordinarily no way I would consider him as unspotlit enough for the Y Factors. But with him in focus as Brady’s top target, every other area of his play has been glossed over or ignored. Need someone to handle an end-around when the Rams are busy trying to stop the end-around to Patterson? Give it to #11. Need a guy to return a punt off the weaponized right leg of Johnny Hekker? That Edelman guy can still do it. Nine-plus years since his seventh-round selection as an athletic college quarterback whom Belichick initially wasn’t sure where to place on the field, Edelman has become a star in the National Football League, a key target in clutch moments. But it will be those moments when Edelman is on the field but isn’t expected to change the game that I look for him to do just that.

TUMS-O-METER Prediction:
And so here we are: the last game of the year and the final Prediction for the season. The Super Bowl is upon us and the Warriors of Gillette have made a valiant effort to reach the NFL’s Promised Land. Our beloved Patriots have a chance to win their 6th Super Bowl and tie Pittsburgh for the most Lombardi Trophies by a franchise… or, they can lose their 6th Super Bowl and… well…
It has been a wild ride of a season for New England. The regular season had a mixture of fantastic wins and head-scratching losses. But from mid-December on, things started to click. They finished the season strong and played well in the Divisional Round followed by an instant classic against KC in the AFCCG.
Now they face the Rams of LA. And like the AFCCG, we have a matchup of the young rising QB versus the legend that is Tom Brady. We also have a matchup of the young rising coach against the coach of all coaches: Bill Belichick. Both teams have offenses that are clicking. Both teams have defenses with liabilities. And the same questions can be asked of both teams: which one will show up on the big stage, Jekyll or Hyde? Who will blink first? Who has the stronger desire, the stronger will, and the stronger team for this day? Can the Pats control the formidable LA defensive front line? Can they eliminate a top Rams weapon or two? Can they take advantage of LA’s low-ranked rushing defense? Will Goff be enticed into mistakes? Will the Gronk of old appear for maybe one last time? And as with any Super Bowl, who will be the unexpected hero?
Looking at Super Bowls from the past, we don’t know what type of game we’ll get. Historically, except for their first Super Bowl in the 80s versus Da Bearsss, the Pats play close, nail-biting, heart-stopping games, win or lose. The pundits and prognosticators predict yet another close game. We all would like the Pats to win in a blowout, as Nate and others here have predicted, but I think a Super Bowl blowout for them is an eight- to ten-point win.
And so, will LA become a team of destiny for this year? Or will the Patriots continue their dynasty of the 2000s? Starting at 6:30 pm ET on Sunday, we will find out.
THE PREDICTION: 5 cases, because BSJ wouldn’t have it any other way.

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@patscap
There was a parade yesterday for the Super Bowl champions. When are the parades for the teams that
had the best offseason OR
Spent the most cash OR
Ending the season with the most cap space?

Something to keep in mind as the Patriots look to repeat.

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Dont’a Hightower was in a walking boot yesterday during the parade, but there’s no cause for alarm. Just a minor toe sprain, per source. The boot was in place to keep the foot comfortable with everything happening during the day.

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Sony Michel missed 3 regular-season games, so he played in 16 total games with playoffs, finishing with 280 carries for 1,267 yards and 12 touchdowns. Would have been fourth-most rushing yards in team history trailing only Corey Dillon (’04), Curtis Martin (’95), Jim Nance (’66).

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Look at how the fourth quarter and game was won:
– Coffin corner punting and solid kick/punt coverage to hold field position
– Clutch Brady scoring drive with great pass-blocking and big Gronk/Edelman catches culminating with a perfectly blocked goal-line dive
– Pressure from the front 7, great coverage, and pressure causing an INT (perfectly played by Gilmore)
– Road-grading run blocking to chew down the clock
– Gost with a big kick to make it 2 scores

EVERYONE contributed! All phases, all players. Crazy.

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“but it was sooooooo boooooorrrrrrrinnnggggg”

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It is to the majority of the SB watching public, who prefer a Pro Bowl type game. The NFL went courting after the video game and fantasy football crowd and this game was the exact opposite of what that audience would want.

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well screw them. I like actual football, where defense and special teams are just as important as offense.

(not to mention that the NFC only scored 7 points in the Pro Bowl, but I get your point)

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4th quarter was the most complete in all three phases of the game I’ve seen of the Patriots in a long time.

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nice timing for it to come together, eh?

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2019 Patriots… more like the 2007 Patriots, or the 2002 Patriots?

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Tom Brady will never revert to 2002 QB and the pats would have to pick up some impressive WEAPUNZ for 2007 revival.

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Good points. So, what is your answer?

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I’ll wait to see who they pick up before I do that but 2002 is definitely not an option.

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2005?

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I’ll take 2014 or 2016.

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TB12 was actually a good QB in 2002. As Ty Law said, the defense got fat at the buffet tables and thought they were great.

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In fact he led the NFL in TD passes with 28

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298? “actually a good QB” indeed!

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refresh, dammit! πŸ™‚

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Nobody will ever beat 298 TD’s ever again! I change my mind.

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Falcons released kicker Matt Bryant—–>

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lots of back issues this past year. I would have moved on as well.

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RicoManDog must be pissed, eh?

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heck, even NorthShore must be pissed, because now this win has given BB license to suck in the regular season.

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Define suck.

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ask Northshore, I was just paraphrasing from memory, and likely inaccurately. I do remember her saying that she hoped the Pats did not win the SB because then everyone would give BB a pass for how badly they played in the regular season at times.

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It’s crazy to think that 7 SB’s is not out of reach but has a real good probability. When you have a HC that tells his players we’ll be back 2 minutes after winning his 6th and a QB driven to distance himself as far as possible from any other football player and break the tie with Jordan makes for an incredible combination for success.

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Won’t be long (actually it’s already started) before the articles come out with how contentious contract negotiations are between Brady and the Patriots. They hate each other again!

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I’m ecstatic they just won this SB, because I don’t think it’s likely they win another. That was a miracle run they just went on. But, doesn’t matter to me, it’s all gravy now, has been for a while.

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What reasons do you have that it won’t be likely?

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I do think the rest of the AFC is catching up with them. There are several legit teams on the rise now. Division still sucks, though, which means the Pats certainly make the playoffs. Lots of coaching changes, and I think there will also be more roster turnover than people think. They have an aging core which they need to significantly address. However, they still have the best QB/Coach combo in the League, at least for one more season, so it is possible.

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Who in the AFC is catching up exactly? KC was the #1 seed and lost twice, Chargers will never get the edge on NE, Steelers are only going to get worse, Colts will never admit that NE is in their heads and Houston’s D will continue to be Brady’s playground. So who in the AFC is catching up exactly? And coaching changes have been happening for the last 5 years at a high rate. Give me something real here.

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Colts have a boatload of cap space and a competent GM. Don’t sleep on the Browns. And thank God that the Bills don’t have a real QB.

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the “real” part is that we disagree on the level of competition in the AFC.

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Obviously, I don’t see one team in the AFC that will go up to Foxboro and win when BB and Brady have bye weeks.

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well, being the #1 seed is not a given for the Pats, as this past year proved.

listen, I’m not betting against the Pats, I think they *could* repeat if everything falls their way. But I’m certainly not betting on that happening again like it did this past year. I can’t see lightning striking twice. That was a miraculous run they made in the playoffs.

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They don’t need to be the #1 seed to get a bye week and play at home as they proved this year.

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so you assume they will always win if they are on the road in the AFCCG, because that’s what just happened this past year? ok. but I’d call that overconfidence.

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No. I assume as long as patriots get the bye week they will have the best chance at getting to the SB in the AFC. In the playoffs the patriots have proven that they will take their game up to another level. When has KC done that?

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The win in KC wasn’t exactly decisive. If KC improves their defense (which won’t be hard to do as the bar is relatively low) and Mahomes improves (not saying he will get 50 TDs again but he should make wiser decisions and be better able to handle what is thrown at him), they will be even tougher than they were this past season.

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And what if the Patriots improve as well?

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Can’t wait for mic’d up SB video and will ring envy be any fun to read?

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NFL Turning Point on FS1 tomorrow night (either 7 or 8 PM EST). Again on Friday night at 11 PM.

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It will be the same 3 fans

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Hunter, you still on the “Brady needs to take part in OTAs” kick?

He won the Super Bowl without sniffing the extra practice.

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I honestly could not care less about the OTA thing, but to Devil’s advocate, it is likely there are a lot of new faced at receiver, so this year would not be a bad year to attend.

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new TE(s), new WRs, possibly a new LT…

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Tom’s going to be 42 this year. He needs all the rest and recovery he can get.

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7 less days of non-contact reps with his new pass catchers is going to give him a significant amount of rest and recovery? surely you are joking. As Jim and I were bantering about below, this is between him and Giselle, nothing more.

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Well it worked this year. Tom probably wouldn’t have been injured all season if McDaniels didn’t have him out there catching passes like a goofball.

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well, take that up with McDaniels. Not sure that had anything to do with OTAs.

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That’s my point though. There’s a good chance the extra rest helps keep him fresh. Why mess up a good thing now?

IMO, you care about something a great deal more than his coach/teammates/organization does.

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Yeah, I’m good with not seeing that ever again.

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Well, maybe mental rest.

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Dude’s been in the AFCCG for a decade and in the Super Bowl for 3 straight years. He hasn’t had a shortened offseason in a LONG time.

He’s earned the extra rest. His teammates don’t care, why should we?

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we don’t know if his teammates don’t care.

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They just finished riding in duckboats celebrating a 3rd championship in 5 years.

They don’t care.

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you are speculating. enjoying riding in duck boats and wishing your leader was with you at practice are not mutually exclusive.

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I agree. They know who he is. They know what he puts into the game and the sacrifices he makes. They don’t give a rat’s ass that he isn’t there at OTAs.

What they care about is that when the shit hits the fan, they have the GOAT as their QB.

Maybe a rookie might ask why he isn’t there, but I’m pretty sure that gets quickly squashed by the vets.

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bottom line, your leader should be present as often as possible, to be most effective. in business, in sports, in a family, whatever. it’s just that Brady is now conflicted on those priorities at this point in his life.

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You seem to put too much importance on OTAs for someone with Brady’s years of service. OTAs are mainly to get the new guys (and the younger guys) up to speed on how they do things and the playbook.

Also for guys coming off injuries.

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We don’t know for sure, but I would be shocked if any of them gave a crap. They all would do the same if they could.

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Also, if there was a major coaching change this offseason and/or a new offense was being installed, he proababiy would attend.

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new QB coach, new WR coach. Insignificant?

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So Josh McDaniels is leaving? Yeah, the WRs need to work with the new WR coach.

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(I am agreeing with you Stokes)

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They can hop on an RV and travel to Montana.

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I love the annual Brokeback Mountain trip.

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I mainly do it just to get a rise out of you guys, but yes, as a matter of principle, I do think all players should be at all practices.

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I figured as much. lol

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This year will all depend on what new additions are brought in I think. Either way, no NFL team has ever won a SB because of OTA’s. Brady has earned the benefit of the doubt to know what he thinks is best for him and the team.

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except that what is best for him (or any individual player, for that matter), may not always be what is best for the team.

if I’m forced to choose between my job and my wife, I’m choosing my wife every time. Just like Brady is, apparently.

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“except that what is best for him (or any individual player, for that matter), may not always be what is best for the team.” I don’t think that applies to Brady though because history has proven that what’s best for him has a higher impact on his team than anyone else.

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I get your point, but it still applies to Brady

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I disagree.

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Tom Brady had to convince Bill Belichick to kick a 42-yard FG to take a two-score lead at the end of the Superbowl.

It was the right call, obviously.pic.twitter.com/zc9a1HJwsD

It’s funny that Brady had to insist on that before BB said alright.

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Feel the love…
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seriously, what did they think was going to eventually happen?

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Stuff like this is why people refuse to put him in the same category with Jordan.

LeBron’s the 2nd best basketball player I’ve ever seen, but he’s no Jordan.

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I love the way this is blowing up on LeBron’s face.

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I love all the changes coming from coaches to players, it’s exciting. Patriots are going to reload and the rest of the league will have to watch and endure all over again. The D is gonna be fun to watch next year.

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since they’ve hitched their wagon to Brady until the wheels fall off, it makes complete sense for them to concentrate on improving the D and the running game. The foundation is there. Just need a few more pieces and some youth/speed on D. But unfortunately, their biggest needs might be at pass-catcher (WR and TE).

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Strengthen the D, strengthen the Oline, draft a good TE prospect and bring in WR talent from FA. Do those things and they are good to go! Oh yeah and RESIGN FLOWERS!

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I still think the Pats Front 7 needs a major tweak (I won’t say overhaul), despite how well they played in the playoffs.

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That’s why I said strengthen the D… The tweaks are definitely coming.

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I think whatever happens with Flowers will have a huge domino effect on how severe those tweaks need to be

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Lose Flowers: Overhaul
Keep Flowers: Tweak

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right

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Lose Flowers…
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Jesus you love that movie.

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Hey folks! I haven’t posted much on here since the switchover, but I still try to stop by and lurk. My personal life is still a mess but I was able to take a trip into Boston yesterday for the parade! Traffic and congestion was an absolute mess (getting to Alewife was worse than being a Jets fan) but once you got in to the city it was awesome to see so many people come out. The cop I talked to said it was the biggest crowd he’s seen. Also talking with a few other people who have gone to… Read more »

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that’s awesome you made it! Sorry to hear about the personal life stuff, rootin for you roo!

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Thanks! It was a spur of the moment decision but I’m glad I went!

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Good to see you. Sorry for your problems. Hope they clear up soon so you can waste some time with us bozos.

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Ehh it’s been 6 months of problems and I don’t see an end in sight. Outta my control though.

I’ll try and log-in more often. Don’t worry, I’m still reading most of what all you bozos are saying haha. Instead of a professional commentor I’m not a professional lurker πŸ™‚

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Brady needs to bring Sony into his circle, this summer, and help him improve his receiving game. If Sony could be half as productive as White, as a receiver, he would be a lot of fun to watch on this team.

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but in Montana. Not Foxboro. The GOAT don’t do no OTAs no mo’.

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Nor should he. πŸ™‚

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well, he SHOULD. But in the end, it seems everyone that matters is ok with him not being there, I suppose.

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Have Giselle bitch to him about retiring or skip OTAs? Hmmm…that’s a tough one.

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not sure it’s that black and white, but if she is going to play that game and make it that black and white, then sure, skipping OTAs makes sense. But we have no insider information that she is giving him any sort of ultimatum that specific… pure speculation.

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She tried to get his best friend to convince him to retire while they were on vacation. Nah, she’s not playing that game.

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He should get her best friend to convince her to give up modeling.

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Dude, do you realize how much money she makes every year? And she doesn’t run the risk of concussions or other major injury.

Maybe a twisted ankle at worst. πŸ™‚

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Yes, I realize how much she makes. Not the point. Does her husband, the person she committed herself for life to, still want to play football? Yes. So, she should support him. And vice-versa. That’s marriage. Are you married? Just curious. Now, if all it takes for them to be at peace, and each fully be able to concentrate on their own work/life balance, is for Brady to be at home for a mere additional 7 or so days in early summer, than Brady should continue to skip OTAs. But I don’t really see how those extra 7 days move… Read more »

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Never fear, Sony will be cooped up in a Montana log cabin, catching avocados from a JUGS machine to the fanfare from Rocky

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If you can dodge a grizzly bear, you can dodge a d lineman!

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He needs to start with Hoyer and prove he is worthy of TB12’s time. πŸ™‚

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If Schiano gets DC, does Bret Bielema stay on-board? Is there an assistant coach spot to fill?

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After watching 2 times SB LIII, a couple of thoughts to close the 2018 season. TB: stats so not show that, but he is still here. At the end the passing game was him, Edelman and half Gronk. Impressive. BB: the man is capable of the highest of the highs and of the lowest of the lows. For 1 and 3/4 season we have seen the lowest of the lows: 2 bad drafts, JG trade, Butler benching etc. I do not know what happened in the last 5 games. But it was not only schemes. It was mental. 1/10 of… Read more »

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I disagree that the last draft was “bad.” Michel has been a great addition, Wynn is a highly promising lineman, Bentley was starting and wearing the dot on his helmet until his injury, Crossen has been a steady contributor and Jackson (UDFA) played hundreds of snaps this year. Solid effort.

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So now we need to dig into geographic sub-regions to classify Patriot outposts:
Patriots New England: duh
Patriots East North Central: Lions
Patriots South Atlantic: Dolphins
Patriots East South Central: Titans
Patriots West South Central: Texans

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Kid’nPlay to the Fins as well! “Offensive Quality Control”… for what, haircuts?

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salon quality control coach

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for a barbershop price, I’m sure!

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He couldn’t ever make the cut.

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to be fair, his margin for error was always razor thin

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I am sure he can he weave in some pearls of wisdom

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because if not, he will fade into obscurity

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LeBron should have signed with the Celtics this past offseason.

πŸ™‚ lol

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Then the Celtics bench would have looked like the Lakers last night. That was eye-opening.

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There’s a clip where Lance Stephenson and Moritz Wagner both go for a defensive rebound and Stephenson knocks Wagner down to get it, then walks away looking annoyed and nobody helps Wagner up so he gives himself a high-five. Pretty depressing sequence, glad it’s the Lakers.

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@globejimmcbride
BREAKING: #Patriots will officially name Greg Schiano as their defensive coordinator, a league source confirmed. https://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/patriots/2019/02/06/patriots-will-name-greg-schiano-their-new-defensive-coordinator/jgh95x7dT5pvD8dNg5o6tO/story.html …

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I’m shocked.

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If anyone was concerned about the Pats being less aggressive without Flores, Schiano’s hiring should be a relief. The Rutgers and OSU defenses he’s coached in recent years have been man-heavy, and very aggressive in coverage by the standards of the college game.

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Agreed. Even in the NFL his teams were super aggressive. If he can marry that aggressiveness with Belichick’s intelligence…woo.

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they’d better draft for that, then

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I think the Pats will be looking for a penetrating DT. Getting one, along with keeping Trey Flowers and even Adrian Clayborn would allow for that aggressive pass rush.

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Dude, I’ve been begging for one for years. I’ve almost given up hope of it ever happening.

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I guess they thought they were getting that with Easley a few years ago?

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None of the scouting department wanted to take him but Lombardi insisted. BB listened to Lombardi.

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how do we know this? did Lombardi say that?

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It was reported at the time. I’ll have to dig it up.

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This article summarizes times when BB didn’t side with the scouts (not to say they are always right either)….

https://www.patspulpit.com/2016/4/14/11429404/bill-belichick-deserves-blame-for-dt-dominique-easley-and-thats-okay

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I think that’s why the Rutgers pipeline thing worked so well honestly. Those Rutgers dudes all played a ton of cover 1 man in college. They had to know a lot and communicate. Schiano coaches DBs like pros.

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surely he’d be excited about working with this current Pats Secondary. Good mix of youth and experience, tons of speed and athleticism, good depth, and they play smart.

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[Insert Randy Marsh NSFW picture here]

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The Rutgers pipeline is real

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Schiano hired?

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Yup.

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yup —>

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my twitter feed was not feeding. I like this hire. Not sure Schiano has what it takes to be a HC in the NFL, but as a DC, with BB behind him? Sure.

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I can hardly wait for the Victory Formation plays.

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that move was a little cheap, IMO

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http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001014266/article/lance-zierlein-2019-nfl-mock-draft-10-kyler-murray-to-raiders

Christian Wilkins – DT
School: Clemson | Year: Senior
If you take a look at Belichick’s draft history, you’ll see he values offensive and defensive linemen in the first round. Wilkins is a big, powerful interior presence.

Love this pick. Absolutely adore it.

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I’ll never criticize BB for drafting the trenches.

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They think he’s dropping to 32?

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Oh, it’s Zierlein. The guy who pegged Aaron Donald as a 4-5th rounder.

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I don’t think there is any way the Pats let Trey Flowers get away. I think both Devin McCourty and Hightower get extensions to free up cap space. Gronk will either retire or take a paycut. Part of me isn’t sure what the Pats will do with Gostkowski. He’s incredibly consistent in the regular season, but in the playoffs he’s herky jerky. I can’t see them giving him big money. I think Simon and J-Mac come back on modest contracts. The Pats will let Shelton and Malcom Brown test the FA market and then see which falls through the cracks… Read more »

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The interesting thing with Brown is what the deal is with Wynn? Interior O line already is shored up. Cannon is locked up. Only spot is LT so if the Pats do in fact view Wynn as a LT then that is likely their answer, though risky

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It should at the very least give the Pats some leverage in negotiation with Brown.

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I don’t think Wynn spent one snap at LT during TC. And he’s coming off an Achilles tear.

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not sure we can read much into the “snaps” thing because his camp tenure was so short. they try players at different positions all the time in camp.

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If he was the heir apparent at LT, he would have spent at least one snap at LT so they could see how he handles it.

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well, Scar’s comments about him are all over the place, so no one knows.

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I know. That’s the problem πŸ™‚

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The thing with Wynn is odd. Problem is getting Brown and Flowers back will be difficult. And what do we do with Wynn? No where else to place him. I’ll be interested to see how it plays out.

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I think Gronk comes back and plays at the salary he is owed (However, it will probably be a reworked contract that will help minimize his cap hit next year). I think he showed that when he’s healthy (which he was for the playoffs) he is still the most dominant TE in the NFL.

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They’ll need to find another pass catching TE to mitigate the amount of damage he’ll take throughout the season.

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Of course. They need to draft one. We’ll have to see what Anderson can bring. I’m disappointed with Hollister. A lot of potential but is made of glass. Should have seen it coming after seeing all the injuries his twin brother had in college.

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The Eagles can’t trade Foles until the league year begins. They’re also way over the cap. To fit his tag number under the cap they’d have to slash ~$20M.

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maybe we can get Kamu Grugier-Hill back

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Personally, I don’t see why Philly would bother to tag-and-trade Foles. If you just let him walk you get a comp 3rd.
You’re going to tear through the roster, looking for ways to fit his FT number, then negotiate with no leverage because your trade partners know you have to get a deal done.
The real motivation to tag-and-trade Foles is if you’re worried about making sure he’s in the AFC honestly.

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and should they really be THAT worried about Foles being on another team in the NFC??? I would think they have a lot more pressing worries if their cap situation is what you say.

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They must feel they can get better than a 3rd.

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BB is dreaming of that right now as he’s walking on his treadmill.

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“the one ST-only, Great Locker Room Guy, that got away”

BoSoxJim
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He actually played quite a bit on defense this year (350 snaps).

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well then his value is now less
-BB

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http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001015161/article/threeround-2019-nfl-mock-draft-10-kyler-murray-to-broncos

I don’t think mock drafts are the gospel but I do think they are fun to look at and discuss.

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http://nfltraderumors.co/top-25-2019-nfl-free-agents-list/

I think one of the reasons the Patriots made a big move in the FA market in 2017 was Gilmore’s position and age . I believe he was 26 at time.

I don’t know if I see that talent and age mix in this class other than Tyrann Mathieu (27) and a couple of others. I am not say they Patriots have a chance at Mathieu only the mix of talent and age they are looking for.

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It is more likely IMO that the Patriots will stay in house with their free agents in Flowers and Brown.

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Agreed. I’d re-sign Flowers, let Brown test the market (if they feel confident in Wynn), and focus my FA energy on a WR, and a TE if Gronk retires.

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https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/rankings/base/left-tackle/

The Patriots have a LT in Brown at age 25 that they know can do the job. that said I don’t rally see him as a top 10 LT in the NFL. I could see the Patriots offering him a salary around what the middle of the pack is getting say Petters or Glenn.

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heck I could see them drafting another LT high this draft as well.

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I don’t see how they can feel confident about just handing the LT reigns over to what would essentially be a rookie. He barely took any snaps at RT (spent most of the time practicing at LG while Thuney was recovering from injury) before tearing his Achilles (not a good injury for an OL).

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Yeah , the injury is certainly a concern.

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I’d be completely fine if they choose to re-sign Brown. Whatever they do, they must be confident in the LT position, the second most important position on the field.

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Which TE or WR? I think it matters.
I like Tate but he is 30.

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I like Tate as well. He and Edelman would be a really good combo. If they can find an X, they can be comfortable putting 3 WR sets out there again.

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do you think it’s pretty clear now that they can’t/won’t rely on Dorsett to be their X? Maddening how often Hogan played instead of Dorsett this past season.

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Yeah. For whatever reason, they continued to trot Hogan out there. I mean he’s 6’1″ compared to 5’10” for Dorsett (not ideal for an X). But you would think due to Hogan’s ineffectiveness they would have gone to Dorset a lot more than they did. It’s possible that they didn’t like how he handled press-man. If you can’t handle press-man then life as an X would be extremely difficult. But he caught 32 of 42 targets ( about 76% catch rate). That was 4th highest in the NFL (min. 40 targets) per PFF. You would think they would bend over… Read more »

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Price is going to be a factor there but the Patriot are probably going to go after a FA WR and draft one. I don’t think it is an either or situation they should do both.

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/free-agents/all/wide-receiver/

It is not a great class but I do like Tate, John Brown and Tyrell Willams.

BTW, Tate will be 31 before the season starts.

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I agree, they definitely need to do both.

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I don’t think there are any FA TEs that would help them much. We’ll see what Anderson can do in TC.

Going to have to draft one.

The SB showed that they need an X that can stretch the field (and actually get open consistently). It was painful watching Hogan out there. Gordon was that guy. Maybe he can be in the last half of next season but there is no way they can rely on that.

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yeah, I’m not familiar yet with the FA TE market, but I think they should look. And I think they should ALSO draft one, for sure. Even a high draft pick spent on a TE would not bother me.

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T.J. Hockenson (Iowa), Noah Fant (Iowa) and Irv Smith, Jr. (Alabama) appear to be the cream of the crop of this years class. There are a few others that could develop into good TEs.

There’s a kid from Stetson that is over 6’9″ that is very intriguing. He would need to add about 20-30 lbs and would need time to develop (have no idea if he can block worth a damn), but he moves really well for someone that tall.

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Donald Parham is the kid from Stetson.

HunterCenter
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for more of a “value” TE, I like both of the kids from Michigan… can’t remember their names.

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not just because of my Bama/SEC bias, but I think Irv Smith is awesome. Needs to develop as a blocker, but as a pass catcher, I think he could be lethal in the NFL. Another mismatch like Hernandez was.

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Makes cents

– Clark

looks like it could get ugly between Foles and Iggles first, though.

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It could.

The Eagles appear to want something for Foles. Whoever gets Foles will tear up the franchise tag and give him a longer deal. Not sure how much they would get for him.

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Seems as if Foles’ first priority is to attempt to avoid the franchise tag. Can’t see that happening, though. The Iggles will not let him walk for nothing in return.

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That seems unlikely. If they were willing to give him $20MM so they could trade him, they’ll pay the FT of $25MM so they can trade him. Eagles want more than a compensatory 3rd.

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you think they will get more that a 3rd for him?

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They must think they will or they wouldn’t have attempted to pick up the $20MM option. If they didn’t feel they could get better than a 3rd they would just let him walk. The guy has won a SB and brought them to the playoffs this year. The INT that sealed their fate was in no way his fault. I can definitely see a QB-needy team parting with at least a 2nd. Especially if they feel that the QBs in this draft class aren’t the future of their franchise. Or if they like a QB but feel he might need… Read more »

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yeah they must be betting on that, because I don’t see how the likely few draft spots between a comp pick and a traded 3rd are worth $5mil to an owner

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Foles wants a choice as to where he goes and he must be frustrated by all this.

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by default, he will likely only go to a team that thinks they have a shot at the playoffs.

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I don’t have a link, but the cap guru types on twitter seem convinced the Eagles can’t tag-and-trade Foles financially.

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interesting

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It was Joel Corry, I can’t find what he said exactly

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WAKE UP!!!!

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well… goodnight all you bourbonites

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Evan Lazar–>

well thats because he’s the closer… duh

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So why shouldn’t we check out the Alliance of American Football? It seems to me that the draftniks would be wanting to monitor the AAF.

I have Bruins tickets for Saturday night, so I’ll miss the AAF opening night, but I’ll definitely DVR it.

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will the AAF have any significant rules differences than the NFL?

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No idea. They are not emphasizing any differences in rules in their advertising. So maybe not.

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I’m going to check out a game.
Gonna check out an arena league game in Worcester too

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Goodnight all. Brooons and Celts won.

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*salutes*

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Oh…a Zoo sighting below. Which reminds me……..

RUM>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Bourbon

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Why do we have to fight about rum versus bourbon, versus tequila?? They all are yummy distilled goodness!!

rking88
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rum is the best, then scotch, then bourbon

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I loathe scotch.

rking88
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really? not a fan of the smokiness?

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GTFO.

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lol sorry friend

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BOURBON OR GTFO, MAC.

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Man I love Harmon calling out that prick Lane Johnson at the parade.

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Oh, you saw that too? The McCourty twins were part of that also, right?

SamiG
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Just read about it and saw a clip. And yes they were.

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Yeah, that was so deserved. Lance Johnson, totally clown shoes.

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anybody else feeling like this is their favorite superbowl champ team out of all the other teams? something special- the edelman/brady/gronk bromance just seems to be extra close this year… i love it

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Well it was certainly the SB team that faced the most adversity in quite a while.

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rking, yes I think I have enjoyed this one as much as any since 2001 and 2004.

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Well, I like this team, but the. 2001 team that won the Pat’s first SB wil always be my favorite.

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thats fair… i think as the first time champs its hard to beat that for anyone… i just love seeing how much these guys love each other

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Wait..what?? I thought they hated the coach and had no fun??

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they just looked really miserable today while they were being marched through the streets like prisoners on those duck boats

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I think my favorite is still the 2004 team. It seemed like those guys were unbeatable on both offense (Brady, Dillon), defense (McGinest, Bruschi, Harrison), or both (Vrabel). That’s the team that, for me, set the expectation that the Patriots should win the Super Bowl every damn year.

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those guys were great- and some of my all time favorite players… but they felt like a juggernaut that year… so im not sure if i think of them the same… this year was the first time in forever where to me its felt like they really had to have a complete team win every game to get through the playoffs… and they really pulled it all together in the best way right up to the end

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Yes, I do fully believe that the 2004 team was farther ahead of any other team in the league than any other NE SB winning team. They just destroyed the league that year.

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What happened? Fridge lock you out from another beer?

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Cue Yo’s favorite Taylor Swift song…..

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COMMANDER: You know what Ensign?

ENSIGN: No..what?

COMMANDER: I’m not so sure that MAC guy should be joking about voices from the fridge.

ENSIGN: Geeee…….I wonder why…

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I’m looking forward to this year’s America’s Game!!

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I want to see the NFL mic’d up video. —>>>>>>

And stay clear of Oscar’s talking fridge.

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Fridge: I’m waiting for Do Your Job 3: The 2018 Patriots.

Oscar: YOU JUST SHUT THE HELL UP, FRIDGE!!!

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If you see Mike Tyson and a tiger behind your fridge……… RUUUUNNNN!!!!!!!

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what do tigers dream of… when they take a little tiger snooze…

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Ask Oscar, there may be a tiger near his fridge.

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Fridge: Hey Oscar, would you like a beer while you watch highlights of the Super Bowl for the 98th time on nfl.com?

Oscar: HOLY CRAP!! THE FRIDGE IS TALKING TO ME!!!!

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Pffffffft. That’s nothing. Wait until the furnace chimes in.

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either you’ve had one beer too many… or one beer too few

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I’m going for A. NTTAWWT.

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Hello?

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Hello

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Good evening Mac.

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Hi Cali. Seems like the post season slow down has started.

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We’re on to the draft πŸ™‚

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…and free agency..

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Yup- things will pick up soon. How are the wedding plans coming?

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Not bad. She’s ordered the dress. We’ve decided on the cruise wedding package. Looks like about 25-30 people will be cruising and another 45-50 will attend the wedding.
Now we need to find a nearby hotel with a banquet room for a pre-wedding casual dinner and shuttles to the pier

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Sounds good. How’s the wallet?

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Barely touched. they decided they will pay a good chunk. It helps that this type of wedding isn’t as expensive as a traditional. We’ll help in some spots. We’ll cover the casual dinner and breakfast for the guests before the wedding. Plus cover the cruise for our other 2 kids. All in all, not bad.

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That’s good.

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Opening day for the Sox is gonna be lit this year. Getting their own World Series rings while the Pats throw out the first pitch with the Lombardi? Does that qualify as Heaven?

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It would be great if the Bruins and Celtics could win too πŸ™‚

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Pats at the Bruins game——————————–>

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I wish the Patriots had 187M in cap space.

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Well………..they could……..but they would have to cut a player or 53.

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OK, Bucky Brooks is on drugs. He has the Pats taking Kyler Murray with the 32nd pick.

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I don’t know who this guy is, but he should be fired from whatever job he holds immediately.

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Well- it’s not going to be Andy Isabella.

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Not in the 1st round, silly.

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Not in any round- my prediction is that he’ll be a Jet.

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Now you’re just being mean.

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No- just using common sense. Besides- you already jinxed any chance.

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Unless he breaks all the combine records. Al Davis would rise from the dead to take him #4 overall.

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Miami will go after Flowers hard

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Yikes. Maybe he should start wearing a chastity belt.

I’m coming around to Scrath’s position. NE will have to franchise him.

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We can’t let them deFlowers the Patriots!

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Evan Lazar
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New estimates say that 1.5 million people were at the #Patriots parade today. Unreal.

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MBTA reported that this was the busiest day in the history of Boston Commuter Rail.

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60 and sunny prob doubled the crowd