Blinders Off: Honest Patriots Bye Week Grades

-by Dino Scapelli

OK, we love our Patriots, and believe in their Hall of Fame-bound head coach and quarterback. And they do have a winning record after ten weeks of the 2018 season. And they lead the AFC East fairly comfortably. And they have beaten the Texans, Chiefs, Packers, and Bears.

But does it feel like another championship season to you?

The answer really has to be no, doesn’t it? Because, to be honest, they barely squeaked by the Texans and Chiefs at home, and they have been crushed by Jaguars, Lions, and Titans on the road.

While individual stats may be for losers, NFL team stats say a lot, and the Pats’ normally dominant offense is ranked only 10th in total yards, 11th in passing yards, and 19th in rushing yards. The great Tom Brady is 14th in yards per game, 16th in TD passes, and tied for 11th in interceptions.

The Pats’ defense is ranked 15th in points allowed, 24th in yards allowed, and 25th in both passing yards allowed and touchdowns allowed.

Their normally exemplary special teams are ranked a hideous 29th in kickoff coverage and 31st in punt coverage.

Take away the team name and consider those numbers; does that look like a contending team? Few would say yes. And yet we still think of them as one of the power teams in the NFL, one of the leading contenders for the AFC Championship yet again.

Time to take a look with the blinders off.

Lets break down the team’s 2018 performance by handing out grades to the position groups.

Quarterback: Yes, he is bound for Canton, and he may be the greatest QB ever, but this year has not been so great for Brady. A TD:INT ratio of 17-7 at this point in the season is simply not up to his standards, and his accuracy has been average at best. He has looked less assured at times, perhaps because some of his favorite targets have not been on the field consistently. No excuses! His grade is only a B.

Offensive Line: There have been changes and injuries, but the offensive line has definitely taken a step backward in 2018. The run blocking has been inconsistent, and pass protection has not been very good. Newcomer Trent Brown might be the sole bright spot on the unit. They rank a pedestrian C+.

Running Backs: This group has been depleted to almost an unprecedented degree by injuries. It looked like a strength in the preseason, only to become a weakness as time rolled on. James White has been a trooper, but the others simply can’t stay on the field. The unit is averaging only 3.9 YPA, 28th in the league. Any unit that is forced to employ WR Cordarrelle Patterson has to grade out at C-.

Wide Receivers: This is a strange group: Julian Edelman was suspended for the first four games, but has been at his best since, but newcomer Patterson has not found a niche, and holdovers Philip Dorsett and Chris Hogan have been out of the sights of the QB in favor of Edelman and mercurial newcomer Josh Gordon, whose up-and-down performance has not warranted avoiding Hogan and Dorsett. Put that on Brady, but this unit grades out at an Edelman-buoyed C+.

Tight Ends: What tight ends? Standout Rob Gronkowski has been either limited or absent most of the season, and has only 1 TD reception. One! Hopeful Jacob Hollister has played only four games, good for four receptions, and Dwayne Allen is a blocker. The unit is a Dud.

Defensive Line: Thought to be a strong point in the preseason, this unit has consistently underperformed against the run with a 17th-ranked 4.4 YPA, and against the pass with 15 sacks (ranking 30th) and consistent failures agains running QBs. They have been overpowered and outrun by every top offensive line. Still, they may be the most solid unit on this defense, earning a B-.

Linebackers: This unit looked horrible last season, and little was done to improve it before the 2018 season. One LB was drafted in Round 5 and another in Round 6. The first, Ja’Whaun Bentley, quickly looked like the top man on this squad until his early demise in Week 3; the second, Christian Sam, is on IR. Former unit leader Dont’a Hightower has lost so much to injuries that he is no better than average, while Kyle Van Noy is just slightly more productive. This unit is a constant weakness in both run defense and pass defense. On their shoulders lies most of the blame for the Patriots’ dismal defense in 2018, and they deserve a grade of D.

Defensive Backs: This unit looked skilled and deep, but their play has been spotty. Even top cornerback Stephon Gilmore has been shed like a satin bathrobe at the Playboy Mansion at times, while partner Eric Rowe was undone by a recurring groin injury that finally landed him on IR. Reliable if ordinary Jason McCourty and inconsistent Jonathan Jones haven’t faired well consistently, and rookie J.C. Jackson has been embarrassed several times. The safeties have floated around, but seldom made plays against the pass, and Patrick Chung and Devin McCourty are starting to look their age. All things considered, this is a grade B- unit.

Special Teams: This unit is split into three halves, a placekicking and kickoff return team that have been strong, and a punt return and punting team that have been decent, and kick and punt coverage teams that have flat out sucked. Bill Belichick likes to emphasize the importance of special teams as coequal to offense and defense. This unit seems about as effective as the other two, and that is not a compliment in 2018. Give them a C.

Can you grade coaching on a team with such overall underperforming play on the field? Is it the players, or the coaches making the team look weaker than they have in years? In this case, I’m going to give the coaches an Incomplete, because they can only coach what they are given, and the talent level on this year’s edition of the Patriots is clearly lower than it has been of late.

Improved health might help, but if it does not, then this team does not look like a likely participant in the Superb Owl, nor even in the AFC Championship Game. Not in my eyes.

Happy Thanksgiving!

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I’ve finished writing it!
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Happy Thanksgiving!
(there will be a New Post but I haven’t finished writing it)

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Happy Thanksgiving to all!!!!!

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https://weei.radio.com/blogs/ryan-hannable/how-will-patriots-rookie-duke-dawson-be-used-if-active

He has missed a lot of time so i just want to see him find a role and do well. Even if that is Special Teams.

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Happy Thanksgiving !!!!!!!

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C’s lose to a tanking team at home and fall behind by 20+ in the process before playing about 8 minutes of decent basketball. The same problems plague the team: can’t shoot, can’t defend guards in the 4th Q, can’t rebound. Even I will admit it is time to wonder about what Stevens is doing with his rotations and why he isn’t adjusting to the abysmal shooting and trying something other than smallball. Stevens has a great track record for overachieving with less talent. Now that he has max talent, they’re severely underachieving. I expect the ship to right eventually,… Read more »

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at least Brad is dressing the team down in the press conference

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DINGOOOOOAL!!!! WAGNER!!!! Bruins 2 Red Wings 1!

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laognid….Some annoying Detroit player, 2-2.

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That Jakob Chewbacca Karlsson guy is doing alright for the Broons.

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Amazing passing on that last shift, They’re the Barcelona of hockey.

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HOOT HOOT HOOT, I’M THE SNOWY OWL NOW, CHRISTMAS IS COMING EARLY

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Lol, luv ya, PPB.

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Good poll on the twit feed… what is everyone’s favorite type of pie at Thanksgiving? Even though I’m a Southern boy, I’m going with pumpkin for sure. Pecan a close second.

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Hair Pie is not a choice. Because obviously it’s a given that’s everyone’s favorite

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PFF Bruhettes: Ahem…

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I’ll stand by my statement. D’oh!!!

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;>D

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I don’t like pie, so none.

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Poor Hugo . That’s really sad. Honestly. I pity you.

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C’s getting trashed at home by a terrible Knicks team. I maintain that they don’t need trades or anything like that. Everyone just has to stop simultaneously sucking at everything. Pretty easy fix.

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Lol…. brad stevens’ halftime speech: “hey have you guys tried not sucking?”

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it apparently worked for Eli Manning

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I’m convinced that was Peyton helping his baby brother out both times.

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Choose 2:
Emmanuel Sanders vs. Pitt
Tyler Boyd vs. CLE
Calvin Ridley vs. NO
Tre’Quan Smith vs. ATL

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Smith is hurt. Ridley and Sanders probably have the best matchups. Bengals are a mess, not sure if Green is returning this week.

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Smith is expected to play, “In my eyes I’m playing.” he said. Some people think Green’s return could help Boyd’s numbers. Right now, I’m going with Sanders and Boyd but I’d be open to someone changing my mind about the two in tomorrow’s game. Two high-powered offenses against bad defenses.

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Yeah, you’d think the Falcons will be forced to throw a ton. Their season will be on the line.

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The only reason I’m not going with either Smith or Ridley tomorrow is that I hate Thursday games when your guy has a dud and then you’re kicking yourself all weekend. At least if the guy has a good game, you can still hold out hope that your other guys can also have a good game.

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Funny how many different ways we can rationalize Fantasy decisions to ourselves

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Why do the Bruins and Celtics always play on the same nights this year? Didn’t anyone realize that might not be a good idea?

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idk but TB12 is the greatest runner of the football to grace the game since barry sanders

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Did a snowy owl fly into your skull, PPB?

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so Tom hurt his knee on that idiotic Edelman pass. The coaches deserve an F just for that stupid play

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Are you grading every play call? Yes, that one was a bad play call.

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And so does Brady for the execution, my gosh that was hideously unathletic. #drunkengiraffe

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Tom couldn’t run at 20 and he cant run at 41 nothing has changed. he doesn’t get paid to run

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Well after 20 years of training and running in the sand with his trainer he should have improved his ability to run on turf don’t you think or is that too much to ask? Plenty of QB’s have benefited from learning how to run without tripping just so you know.

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the dude that has built an empire on pliability can’t jog one out?

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what is the upside if the play works? basically nothing
whats the downside? he get injured and the patriots season is over.

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How is clearing out a side of the field and having the QB catch and jog to the sideline more dangerous than a standard passing play with a pass rush coming? Are you saying that running unabated is worse?

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that’s his job to stand in the pocket. going out for a pass is not. having a DB going full speed at him in the open field would not be pretty.
So you are saying it was a good play? it wasn’t like the play was going to win them the game

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They should throw that play away- forever.

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No, the play is perfect for Danny Etling-Vick, should we ever need him.

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I’m saying all football plays are dangerous and this one doesn’t strike me as more dangerous than any another. I don’t think it put Brady at additional risk to get injured, in fact I think it is designed to minimize that risk (conditional on it being a trick play). Whether it was a good play call is, to me, a different discussion.

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now he is on the injury report because of that play. TOM CANT RUN. don’t make him run

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They’re 0 for 2 on it so far, so that’s not a very good sign about it’s effectiveness.

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Shhh, McDaniels is elite.

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brady popping up on the injury report with a knee injury AFTER the bye week is concerning…

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its that time of year

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Only if you believe Patriots injury reports which I usually don’t, Brady had been on the injury report for his shoulder for years and never missed a game. I wouldn’t put much stock into it but that’s just me.

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Rest Brady this week. It’s only the Jets 🙂

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Phil Perry

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Tom Brady pops up on the injury report for the first time this season. Knee injury occurred on his reception in Tennessee, per @tomecurran, but it’s not considered serious.

He played the rest of the game and he’s had two weeks to rest. I’m sure he’s fine.

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He didn’t play at all after the play.

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Where’s Panic Time!!!!!????

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Airport.

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we are all panic time on this blessed day

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Brady limited, knee

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Rest Brady this week. It’s only the Jets

He has been put on the list in the BB era before and it has been part of BB gamesmanship but Brady is 41 now and this may or may not be the same thing.

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Darnold did not practice———————->

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It’s another schrodinger situation. We won’t know which crappy QB (Darnold or McCown) will light us up until Sunday

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the defense is not that bad I was told

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Not enough draft picks on the defensive side have really panned out over the last 3-4 years. That is starting to show more now, imo

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seems appropriate. Many folks put up holiday lights the weekend after Thanksgiving day.

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until sunday… i believe both of them will simultaneously light us up… and get shut down

🙂

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Jonc suggesting we need a grade for the GM makes me think we need another grade here:

Owner = F

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Patrick Sullivan is thinking of buying the team back from Robert Kraft.

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i thought the grades were only for this season?

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based on what

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Yay flight delays…

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To be expected.

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Rule #1 Never travel on Thanksgiving week.

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Crucial. Keep the Pats defense off the field as long as possible.

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Ahh- turkey is stuffed and resting in the fridge- I’m tired.

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Ok Clark. Did you staple the lights onto the roof yet???

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Nope- but I have checked them to make sure they work 🙂

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LOL!!!!

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Patriots 72
Jets 0

Team grade C-

It’s only the Jets. 🙂 lol

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the most important grade is not there. The General Manager. Its a D.

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They need Lombardi back.

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Vince ain’t walking through that door……

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Michael.

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I don’t think you can entirely pile on Belichick’s personnel moves. For instance, Bentley and Hill looked like they’d be significant contributors, and they went out for the year in the first quarter of the season.

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Hill doesn’t improve this team very much. with Bentley I couldn’t figure out who is slower him or hightower

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Bill put together a horrible defensive roster no way around it

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The defense has not been good but they are not horrible, IMO. 14th in points. I know some or the defensive number aren’t good but they are 14th in points.

http://www.espn.com/nfl/statistics/team/_/stat/total/sort/totalPointsPerGame/position/defense

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that’s ridiculous. are you saying that with a straight face

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Yes.

The defense has not been good but they are not horrible.

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no they horrible. the only way they can stop a team is when the other offense becomes one dimensional. Basically the pats have to get out to a lead

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I don’t think that a 5th round LB and a street RB they signed for a little over the minimum should have been counted on that much one way or the other

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A street FA? He had been hurt but look at his numbers.

Hill played well in the preseason and is a former 1.000 yard rush.

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/H/HillJe01.htm

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As far as the Patriots grade is concerned, they are what their record says it is right now and that’s 70%, and if you don’t know what letter grade that is then I’ll be more than happy to point to the short yellow bus. Everyone in the organization with the exception of a few players like James White is underperforming to “Patriots” standards. And yet the pats still have a legitimate shot at the #2 seed and I expect them to win out or finish 12-4 as I stated at the beginning of the season but we’ll see how it… Read more »

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By that logic 22 teams in the NFL are “F”. A 10-6 team is a D- and a 14 win team is a B+ (only 6 teams have ever gone 15-1 and 1 at 16-0).

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No. Because when the season is completed there will be a Bell curve process disseminated as usual.

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Or because win pct and “grade averages” don’t remotely correlate.

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They do when the measurements are complete. At the end of the year the top team will represent the “A” grade and everyone else will follow. When people say what is the greatest regular season team ever, the answer will always be 2007 because they were perfect and that will always be the A+ and everything will work it’s way down as usual.

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Huh? How the hell does a 70% win pct have any merit at this point in correlating to a “team grade” and then everything gets thrown out and re-adjusted to a completely different formula… but only after the season? There are 4 teams with a better win pct right now than New England… and somehow their win pct is indicative of a grade? Zero sense.

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The saints are the best team at 9-1 90%, that’s an A grade. If that doesn’t make sense to you then I can’t help you. It’s pretty freaking simple right now.

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For the MA beer folks, there’s a big online kerfuffle going on regarding Trillium Brewing’s business practices. You may know that they opened a massive restaurant/retail location in Fort Point recently. It seems that (1) longtime employees were asked to take a paycut from $8/hr to $5/hr as part of the move (they supposedly make up the rest of their salary in tips, but who knows about that); (2) said longtime employees who have refused and left are talking about how growlers are filled with tank dregs, brewing runs known to be substandard are sold anyway/repurposed, and other such allegations.… Read more »

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this often happens when good local breweries decide to scale up significantly.

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Trubisky doubtful for tomorrow

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Oooh, bummer.

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The Chase Daniel Era has arrived.

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again? on another team?

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also, what happened to Mike Glennon?

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Dwayne Allen absent again ->

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I wonder if we finally see Hollister contribute this week.

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That would be sweet if it happened.

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it’s virtually necessary at this point, since Gronk is still a question mark. someone has to work the seam and beat LBs in routes.

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I’ve been following this weird story since the guy turned up missing at a Monday Night Football game. He left his seats to go to the bathroom, leaving his girlfriend and her children at the seats, and was never seen again. They finally found him drowned in a duck pond 2 miles from the stadium. Truly odd. 49ers fan who went missing during Monday Night Football found dead 9:29 AM ET ESPN The body of a San Francisco 49ers fan who went missing during a Nov. 12 Monday Night Football game at Levi’s Stadium has been found and identified, according… Read more »

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yeah that’s weird

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gobble gobble.

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I give you a D- for your Thanksgiving eating/drinking performance, in advance. Prove me wrong.

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if I look at the remaining schedule, to me the key game is the Vikings. We’re in the Steelers heads, have been for years, I think we win that game, but obviously that one is the most important in terms of AFC seeding. But the Vikings game, that is an above average defense, and I see it as a “Lions” type of matchup… a decently balanced an well coached team that on paper we should beat, but it needs to happen on the field. And it’s in NE, which means we need it to be a win, since there will… Read more »

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We beat the Bears, and the Bears crushed the Vikings, so………..

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We got crushed by the Jags, and the Jags lost to the Steelers, so…….

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I’ve been waiting to see this year’s Circle of Parity, it’s got to be complete by now, but the most recent one I can find is from 2016.

https://www.reddit.com/r/nfl/comments/5kai0v/any_given_sunday_circle_of_parity_2016/

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I definitely think some of the Pats overall results this year can be explained by parity. Almost every team in the League, certainly the ones with a record equal to or worse than the Pats’, has some weird losses to teams that looked like world beaters in other weeks.

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Dnom take down this article it’s creating too much negativity for this site, put up one of your puff pieces about players numbers or turkey day stories from the McCourty sisters

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come on man… these are the types of comments that get people pissed

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c’mon man, love that segment from Monday nite football, not as good as Jack’d up though

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yeah that’s unnecessary, cf

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Unnecessary. maybe cf magically controls the autocorrect on my computer!

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A bad loss immediately prior to a bye week generates 14 days of angst among the loyalists. One punishing win against the lowly jets, and the narrative will completely shift (well, except for Cfpats, Dino and Hunter, of course).

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I think Hunter is more realistic than negative.

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thanks, Nate. I’d like to think so too.

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Your attitude about JMD is far, far from realistic. He’s an elite OC.

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I’ll admit that I’m over the top with my disdain for McDaniels. Let me clarify. I do think he is a good OC, despite some headscratching play calling at times, but all OCs have those type of moments. However, I detest the thought of him as the Pats next Head Coach, I do not think he’s got what it takes to be a bigger-picture leader, and I think Kraft made a huge mistake in promising him that position, if that is indeed what occurred. It will seriously test my ability as a lifetime Pats fan if he is named our… Read more »

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they could be playing wildcard weekend at home vs Ravens, then on the road against steelers and on the road vs chiefs
so ya, the losses to the lowly lions and a mediorce titans does create angst

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They could but they wont, they will be the one or two seed .

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cross your fingers

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I’ll be pleasantly shocked if they get the #1 seed. The #2 seed is more realistic, if the Steelers, Chargers, Chiefs (heck Texans and Colts too) all start to lose more games. But I don’t see ALL those teams doing that. And nothing about this Pats team gives me confidence that they can run the table. 4-2 in the remaining games seems realistic to me, given that they are 7-3 right now with some great wins but really putrid, head-scratching losses. And if that plays out, again I think we are looking at 11-5 and the #4 seed. Obviously I… Read more »

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I’ve given the team plenty of credit after wins. Again, for me, it’s HOW we’ve lost against far inferior teams that gives me pause when I am projecting how we will fare on the road in the playoffs. I do think that if they put the hammer down on the Jets in all 3 phases, it might be a catalyst for overall improvement down the stretch. They need a big win mentally, on the road against an inferior opponent. Now is the time.

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It’s only the Jets will be the refrain.

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https://boston.cbslocal.com/2018/11/20/patriots-ongoing-chris-hogan-story-baffling/

Great article providing some CONTEXT for Hogan’s overall performance.

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he’s been open, brady has been forcing the ball to Gordon and to Gronk(when he plays), this team misses Dola, especially on 3rd downs and in the redzone

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I honestly could care less about Hogan’s performance. He’s merely a complimentary depth player that in no way should the offense be relying upon for anything more than 5th/6th pass catcher on the depth chart type of production. If he ever balls out, it’s just gravy.

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from Weei:
Did you know: Since Week 5, Phillip Dorsett has caught all nine passes thrown his way, but hasn’t played more than 15 snaps in a game since Week 6

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if I’m BB/McD, I’m giving him more snaps than Hogan going forward, but I doubt that will be the case.

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I’m curious to know how folks gauge inconsistency in play. Are we looking to see if players make the same reads and use the same technique/effort in similar situations? Or is it another way to say sometimes a guy seems to be playing well and other times it seems like he’s not? i.e., if a CB plays a route with the same technique twice in a row but one time the WR makes the catch and another time he doesn’t, is the CB inconsistent?

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probably need a bigger sample size than 2 routes/plays, but it is a good question.

Gilmore completely sucked against Corey Davis but was lights out against Devante Adams. It is hard to explain.

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cfpats:
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HA
nice!

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Jeezus, Dino, the O-line is performing far better this year than it did in both of the previous two SB winning teams. Remember Coach Goog? You are way, way off base saying that the “O-line has taken a step back”.

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The legit had one bad game because of MULTIPLE injuries and now they suck LOL

Ridiculous.

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I don’t think he’s saying they suck… but I don’t think its unfair to say that they haven’t lived up to expectations. Run blocking has been limited at times (most of the losses) and they have struggled in pass pro when teams know they’re in passing situations- not giving Brady much time to find open guys (or for guys to get open). No doubt injuries are a major factor and the Titans game was clearly heavily impacted by the shuffling of the tackles all over the place. Still, overall performance of the unit, maybe a B but… really c+/b whats… Read more »

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Well considering most of their issues have happened when Cannon was out and Waddle played (Waddle sucks), I’m not surprised at some of their struggles. Most of their big struggles came from Waddle.

Overall they’ve been good.

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So here’s the thing, I can’t just disagree with Dino without providing my own grades.
QB: A-
TE: C+
RB: B+
WR: B
OL: B-
DL: B
LB: C+
CB: B+
Safeties: C
Special Teams: D
Kicker: B+

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this hurts my eyes to read
take off the blinders

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Tell me where I’m wrong…

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Brady, wr’s, ST, lb’s

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Brady: Had been working with a mosh pit of receivers that have either been injured, underperformed or got here later in the season. WR: Edelman has been great coming back off ACL injury. Gordon already has 3 100 yard receiving games even though he’s only played in 5-6 games. Dorsett has been productive almost every time he’s on the field. Hogan, when given a chance, has done okay. Cordelle Patterson has overachieved IMO. Special teams haven’t been great, but they pretty much won the Bears game for the Pats, so I gave them a D. LBs: Haven’t been great, but… Read more »

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10th in total yards, 11th in passing yards, and 19th in rushing yards. The great Tom Brady is 14th in yards per game, 16th in TD passes, and tied for 11th in interceptions.

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You can throw all those rankings at me all you want, but I just gave you context on them and you ignore them.

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#context
we do not allow excuses or negativity on this board

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down year by Brady’s standards, no doubt. all QBs have OL, injury, pass catcher, etc. issues. Including the QBs currently ranked above Brady.

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TEs need to be a D and ST an F, but otherwise this is far more realistic than Dino’s post.

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How? When Gronk’s been on the field, he’s blocked well and had incredible moments. Hell, even Dwayne Allen’s caught a couple of passes while blocking at a relatively high level.

Most of the position’s issues come from injury not exactly performance. I’m only talking performance.

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1 td from Gronk, non-existent in some games, looks slow, maybe playing thru injuries, allen not worth his price tag and hollister is an incomplete

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You’re right, he was non-existent against the Chiefs…and Colts…and Dolphins…

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really 4-44 against the dolphins, non-existent in the red zone

gotcha

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This is why I know you really don’t watch the games. If you can’t see that Gronk is being doubled almost every time he’s in the redzone then I don’t know what to tell you.

His being doubled opens it up for everyone else.

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put him in the pro bowl

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Gronk has been better at fighting through double teams in the past. It’s one of the things that made him such a great weapon. And in some of the games this season he’s been doubled, the other offensive skill players (including Brady) could not take advantage.

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Gronk has been a shell of his former self. I’m hoping it was only injury related and we see a dominant Gronk for the remainder of the season. I think this is his last year with the Pats. No way we take on a $12MM cap hit for this kind of production so far (or lack thereof) next year unless he absolutely crushes it the remainder of the season and playoffs.

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I bet if you asked Brady, there is no way he would give himself an A-. For someone who tends to see things in a positive way, those are probably pretty fair grades. the truth likely lies somewhere in the middle.

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Nice write up Dino… I think its fair to say that given expectations going into the season (every season) this year has been disappointing to say the least up to now. I think the grades are fair based on what we would have projected going into the season. The only thing I’d say is its hard to grade any unit’s quality/success unless injuries are factored in as part of what knocks the grade down. The defense has been relatively healthy, as has special teams, so those grades are fair, but I’d say that O-Line and Skill positions really deserve more… Read more »

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Agree on the “every season” part of your expectations comment. The Pats are a victim of their success. I think they’d rather have that then the alternative though.

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oh without a doubt… Its a luxury to be able to grade on the “Super Bowl or Bust” curve that we have…

When 7-3 is considered underperforming- despite having wins against quality playoff teams… yeah… we’re in a pretty decent position

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for me, it’s HOW we’ve looked in our losses against mediocre (at best) teams that is the cause for concern. of course, we’ve beaten good teams too.

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CPATS you must be a very miserable man trying to spread your misery on us, never see so much negativity from a so called fan, geez no one said they are perfect but you make it sound like they are the Browns JV team, get some joy in your life Bro.

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its cfpats4, show some respect
this is an open chat room, I don’t see the rules where you can’t be negative after a disgusting loss to the titans or lions

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Good you knew it was you I was talking to and my point stands no disrespect but find something to do to cheer up your life.

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i am going to kick a poodle, that will cheer me up

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I agree with Dino – this isn’t our year – not going postal about it though

Not blaming Belichick, not blaming Brady – it is what it is – their past excellence has spoiled many Pats fans into thinking it’s easy

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Lmao, I don’t see why you think so but ok we will see.

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So many factors go into winning a SB – just look at the ones we’ve been in – most could have gone either way. Then look at the AFC Champ games we’ve been in – most could have gone either way too. Often winning close games in the playoffs is a result of resiliency shown in the reg season. Maybe we can pick up some of that here at the end, who knows?

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winning the AFC Least is easy, winning on the road in the playoffs is not, they need to improve on all 3 units, have you listened to any of Bill’s press conferences?

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They are 7-3, I mean, c’mon folks…

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“isn’t our year” meaning SB victory – if we get the 1 or 2 seed, the AFC Champ game is almost a guarantee

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did they improve their defense in the offseason? are Brady’s numbers down? how does the special teams look? it just looks bad, regardless of record, hopefully after the bye week some things get corrected

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Lmao, I wonder what Dino will grade the so called contenders, theres no team in the AFC playing at a high level on all units, they all have flaws, so far as title race I’m in no panic mode, the steeless will lose on Sunday and to us, the Chargers will be Chargers and lose two more, it’s possible the chiefs lose again and if they don’t I’m taking our D over them for the win in Kansas cus that’s what it will come down to.

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you’re taking our D over anyone right now? ok. hope you’re right, I really do.

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I said over Kansa but the only D I respect in the AFC that’s a contender is the Chargers.

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I hope Gronk plays. Team has a different mojo when he’s out there

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I hope so too, because this is his last hurrah in NE

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So here’s the thing, if I don’t agree with everything Dino (a known…let’s say “Negatively Slanted” individual), then I’m a “homer”?

Gotcha.

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Stokes, I don’t think you’re a homer. I haven’t been around much so I don’t have a feel of what the vibe is here. But you do seem to spin pretty much everything into a positive. If the Pats were 0-10, you’re the guy I would hire to make it seem not as bad. They caught teams at the wrong time, it was the other team’s Super Bowl, lots of injuries, the other teams’ coach knew them so well, Brady doesn’t have a rapport yet with the WR’s, the games were much closer than they looked, without the turnovers they… Read more »

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reading this board, you would think the pats were actually 0-10

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The negativity in this town sucks. Always has. Pitino was right about that

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and it stinks – makes the greatest sports town lousy….

did i get that right?

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More like 3-7.

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I don’t spin things “positively”, I look at the reality of situations and provide context. I’ve ripped into the team after bad losses too, but I always look at it from a big picture POV. For example, in 2014 when the Pats got ROASTED by the Chiefs, I came on here like EVERYONE else and ripped into the Pats…but I also provided context. Yet, at the same time, I made points that the team’s issues could be fixed and basically said “Watch them win the Super Bowl”. I was called crazy by many of the Negatively Slanted individuals here. We… Read more »

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I hear ya. Maybe it’s me. Just because I think you roll like that doesn’t mean it’s true. So I’ll agree to disagree… ©JLStokes

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I don’t really care if someone things I’m a “homer”. I’ve been right more times than wrong here so my track record speaks for itself.

…just don’t bring up Aaron Dobson okay. That’s a dark moment for me.

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great read Dino, Dnom and Stokes would give them A’s all across the board, good to see someone write what the eyes see, of course Dnom will take it down ASAP
I would a D for Brady and D for Special teams and a F for the GM for the off season moves.
that being said, you are supposed to play your best football after turkey day, so here is hoping coach bb gets them on track.

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Brady a D? Bro he’s had some bad plays but he hasn’t been a D. get serious G

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G is a grade?

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yeah a D for Brady is harsh. I’d give him a B-

Special Teams are F

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ok c-
big drop off from MVP status

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he’s 42. Did we really expect the avocados to work forever?

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Reading anything cfpats4 has to say about football is like getting sodomized in your eyes.

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#context
no excuses please

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You don’t know the difference. We all know this.

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Yo let’s bum rush the show. I don’t dislike many teams but the Jets are the Jets.

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Let me see . The Patriots are 7-3 and still have a chance to get the #1 seed and the highest grade any unit got was a B? If that is the case than I would give the coaching staff and A for having to deal with this team given Dino’s low opinion of this team’s talent level. I would give the OL an A given that they have been good and missing at least one starter the last three game.s Have we forgotten how good they were in opening holes with Michel at RB? RB- B. How can you… Read more »

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James White has been awesome dp. He and TB have been the offense pretty much, especially earlier in the year

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the numbers don’t lie, they do not look like at this time like a strong contender to be a sb participant

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I disagree.

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lol. surprised that took so long.

A+ Participation Trophies for the entire organization!

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Hunter’s snarky?

Color me shocked.

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Well there’s a shocker

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Good write-up, although I do think a couple areas where struggles have been seen are overstated (OL, Gilmore).
I also apologize in advance that this will probably only be up for one day.

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yeah, I’d probably grade the OL a little higher. Gilmore has been inconsistent, but such is the life of a CB. Overall I agree with Dino’s candid assessment of this 2018 team. He’d better go into hiding, though, because Stokes is likely gathering a pitchfork mob of homers to come after him as we speak!

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so i normally agree with you on stuff, but the homer thing bugs me here’s how i see it – there are crap ton of front-runners on this board from all over who are only pats fans because they win. these front-runners go bananas every time the pats lose simply because they are losers themselves, and they can’t handle being laughed at by friends/co-workers who rightly root for the local team. i’m not calling you a front-runner, or anyone else with new england ties, just stop with the homer label – fans support their team through thick and thin –… Read more »

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Shhhhhh…don’t bring that kinda of level-headed thinking around here.

They’ll label you a Homer.

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I hear what you’re saying. Every fan base has it’s share of “front runners”. But I don’t know you and you don’t know me and we don’t know them. For all I know, you started following the team in 2001 yourself. Maybe I did too. Seems a little over the top to label people you don’t even know as losers. Only people with NE ties can be real Pats fans? Can’t agree with that.

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yawn

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glad you were able to identify yourself as a troll

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I’ve been a Pats fan since I was 5 years old, when my grandfather was their director of college scouting, so that should end that aspect of this discussion.

maybe “homer” is a bad cliche word for me to use. “unrealistically positive just because you are a fan of the team.” better? I think Dino’s “blinders” verbiage is apt.

I am hopeful the Pats can turn it around. As BB says, real football starts after Thanksgiving. Let’s see how they do against the Jets, it will be telling IMO.