Pre-Camp Positional Breakdown: CliffsNotes

-by DNOMN8R314

(NOTE: CliffsNotes is almost certainly copyrighted. Please don’t sue.)

In this slow summer, many have broken down their team’s current 90-man roster by position, often using one full article for each spot on the field. In contrast, this article will break down the New England roster in under 500 words. (After this intro, now under 440 words.)

Quarterback
Returning: Tom Brady, Brian Hoyer
New vets: N/A
Rookies: Danny Etling

Brady still Brady at 41, Hoyer’s the familiar veteran backup, Etling has arm strength but a long way to go.

Running back
Returning: Rex Burkhead, James White, Mike Gillislee, Brandon Bolden, James Develin
New vets: Jeremy Hill
Rookies: Sony Michel, Ralph Webb

Main battle here: Gillislee versus Hill for “bruiser” role.

Wide receiver
Returning: Julian Edelman, Chris Hogan, Malcolm Mitchell, Phillip Dorsett, Kenny Britt, Matthew Slater, Riley McCarron, Cody Hollister
New vets: Jordan Matthews, Cordarrelle Patterson
Rookies: Braxton Berrios

One of the largest competitions, especially with extra spot due to Edelman’s suspension.

Tight end
Returning: Rob Gronkowski, Dwayne Allen, Jacob Hollister, Will Tye
New vets: Troy Niklas
Rookies: Ryan Izzo, Shane Wimann

“Who’ll back up Gronk?” becomes “Who’ll oust overpaid Allen… and back up Gronk?”

Tackle
Returning: Marcus Cannon, LaAdrian Waddle, Cole Croston, Andrew Jelks
New vets: Trent Brown, Matt Tobin
Rookies: Isaiah Wynn

Brown and Wynn competing at blind side; Wynn a possibility to move inside.

Guard
Returning: Joe Thuney, Shaq Mason, Ted Karras, Jason King
New vets: N/A
Rookies: N/A

Despite continuity, some uncertainty with starters: Mason pending big-money FA, Thuney mildly inconsistent.

Center
Returning: David Andrews, James Ferentz
New vets: Luke Bowanko
Rookies: N/A

Brady will surely stick his hands under Andrews’ butt anytime.

Defensive end
Returning: Trey Flowers, Deatrich Wise Jr., Derek Rivers, Eric Lee, Geneo Grissom, Keionta Davis
New vets: Adrian Clayborn
Rookies: Trent Harris

Key questions: Flowers breaking out, Clayborn boosting poor pass rush, Wise making sophomore leap, Rivers recovering from ACL tear.

Defensive tackle
Returning: Malcom Brown, Lawrence Guy, Vincent Valentine, Adam Butler
New vets: Danny Shelton
Rookies: John Atkins, Frank Herron

Minimal interior push last year, but run defense (also poor) should improve with Shelton acquisition.

Linebacker
Returning: Dont’a Hightower, Kyle Van Noy, Marquis Flowers, Elandon Roberts, Harvey Langi, Brandon King, Nicholas Grigsby
New vets: N/A
Rookies: Ja’Whaun Bentley, Christian Sam

The rookies have immediate chances to help this group, Bentley a hammer against the run, Sam versatile and capable in coverage.

Cornerback
Returning: Stephon Gilmore, Eric Rowe, Jonathan Jones, Cyrus Jones, Ryan Lewis, Jomal Witlz
New vets: Jason McCourty
Rookies: Duke Dawson, Keion Crossen, J.C. Jackson, A.J. Moore

The other crowd, with #2 spot completely up for grabs.

Safety
Returning: Devin McCourty, Patrick Chung, Duron Harmon, Jordan Richards, Nate Ebner, Damarius Travis, David Jones
New vets: N/A
Rookies: N/A

Travis, Jones: please beat out Richards.

Special teams
Returning: Stephen Gostkowski, Ryan Allen, Joe Cardona
New vets: N/A
Rookies: Corey Bojorquez

Punters have competitions too.

That’s 500. Enjoy summer.

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Calipatsfan3473
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QB Christian Hackenberg signed by the Eagles————->

Calipatsfan3473
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No Burkhead at practice- is he hurt?

dp73
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Out for the season?

“Burkhead was limited in practice Wednesday with an unknown ailment, leaving the main practice field midway through the session, and didn’t play in Thursday’s preseason opener against the Washington Redskins”-Keyed

Read more at: https://nesn.com/2018/08/patriots-training-camp-rex-burkhead-joins-short-absentee-list/

Nothing new here the Patriots don’t talk about injuries.

Calipatsfan3473
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I was wondering why he didn’t play the other night.

dp73
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We are probably not going to know.

Calipatsfan3473
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Nope.

bring
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Yes, a few days ago it was mentioned when it happened

Why would you think out for season?

Calipatsfan3473
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I didn’t think that he was out for the season- I was just wondering what had happened to him.

dp73
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I didn’t say that. It was a question.

I just get a kick out of fans when a player is out of a practice we jump to conclusion that it must be and injury. It may be but we are probably not going to know. The Patriots aren’t going to talk about it. I have learned that much in my time as a Patriots fan. 🙂

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My all underdog hero roster.

QB (1) T.Brady,
RB (6) R.Burkhead, S.Michel, J.White, J.Hill, J.Develin, Webb
WR (6) C.Hogan,, C.Patterson, Lucien ,McCarron,B.Berrios, M.Slater
TE (3) R.Gronkowski,Izzo, J.Hollister
C (1) D.Andrews
G (4) S.Mason, J.Thuney,, C.Croston,Schwenke
T (4) M.Cannon, T.Brown, L.Waddle, I.Wynn
DE (4) T.Flowers, A.Clayborn, D.Wise, D.Rivers
DT (3) M.Brown, D.Shelton, L.Guy
ILB(3) E.Roberts, J.Bentley,Grigsby
OLB(3) D.Hightower, K.VanNoy, M.Flowers
CB (6) S.Gilmore, E.Rowe, D.Dawson, R.Lewis, J.Jackson,Crossen
SS (4) P.Chung, N.Ebner, B.King,Travis
FS (2) D.McCourty, D.Harmon
ST (3) S.Gostkowski, C.Bojorquez, J.Cardona

MasterAndCommander
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Even with Brady……. 6-10

dp73
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15-1
All we need is Brady and Belichick.

MasterAndCommander
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1-19. 🙂

dp73
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Preseason game don’t count.

dp73
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Hey, what is the site we use to predict the Patriots 53 man roster? I seem to have lost it.

bring
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It’s crazy to think the Sox could go 50 games over .500 today

itsBradyBaby
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Both Redskins coach and GM will be gone next season when Kirk have a big year while Smith is throwing 5 yards passes.

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Sox win 6-4

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Lol, both Broncos QB’s average 1.3 yds per throw at the half with zero TD’s and one INT. Too make it worse Keenum goes 1-4 for 5 yds while he has to watch Cousins go 4-4 and a TD in his firs drive. I love it when the Broncos suck!

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Except Chad Kelly looks like a player. He’s a bit raw and a gunslinger, but I like what I saw. I’d be thrilled if we got rid of our lackluster backup QB’s and brought him in.

dp73
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http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/5414/jason-mccourty

I hope this doesn’t happen. I think Jason can still play corner in this league. ST are important but you don’t want a team with too many ST only players.

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If McCourty gets cut, it’s because other players have stepped up. We brought him in as insurance, to not need that insurance would be a promising development.

LaFeteMattDog
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Two more pre-season games tonight. Min vs Den and LAC vs Ari. Interested to see Josh Rosen and Cousins on his new team (if he plays)…and the Revs are playing if anyone’s interested! 🙂

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I’ll be interested to see how many Chargers get injured tonight- they are cursed.

LaFeteMattDog
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Maybe they’re practicing too hard?

Calipatsfan3473
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Maybe- maybe not.

LaFeteMattDog
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Thanks, Confucius.

MasterAndCommander
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Sox win 5-0

LaFeteMattDog
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Great. Let’s play another!

bring
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It’s maddening listening to Boston sports talk – their current rant is about Brady only making $15m this season.

If I owe you $10 this year, and $10 next year, but I give you $15 this year, that means I only owe you $5 next year. Does that mean you only make $5? Of course not.

Brady’s cap hit is $22m for a reason.

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I see this as a mutually beneficial deal. By converting #10m to a signing bonus, Brady receives $10 million up front, and he is given the ability to earn $5 million in additional 2018 cash in a team-friendly manner. Next year’s increased cap hit would be offset if Brady does not meet his incentives as well as the annual cap increase. If he does earn the incentives it’s cap resources well spent (esp. if they win the SB).

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I’m hoping he has more than 2 years left – after all, he was the one saying 45.

dfwpatsfan
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Whether he retires 2 years from now or 5 years from now, Belichick needs to get a defense capable of not blowing it like they did in SB. While it’s fun to watch Brady’s heroics, I would rather see a team come toegther to win like the Falcons SB.

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“Listening to Boston sports talk”
There’s an easy solution

dfwpatsfan
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So last evening was scary. I was flying with a buddy when ATC at SeaTac warned us of a potential aircraft hijack. We were asked to land immediately at the nearest airport which happened to be Vancouver, WA and while landing saw 2 F-15 jets go supersonic out the port wing.

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LaFeteMattDog
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Saw that on the news this morning. Wow, that must have been a scary thing to go through. Glad you’re alright, bud!

hugo #FreeBoney
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that is frightening

Calipatsfan3473
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Saw that on the news last night- scary situation. Glad you’re ok.

dfwpatsfan
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Oh we were never in any danger. It was bizarre to get the directive to land, as my pilot buddy was like this is unusual. We had horror flashbacks of 9/11 and the next thing you know, fighter jets are up in the air, part of the Noble Eagle defense. It was very concerning.

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I think the fighter jets would have scared the crap out of me.

LaFeteMattDog
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Well, we’re all done here in Wolverhampton.
Portuguese-coached English team 2
Portuguese-coached English team 2

Deadsmack #NotDone
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EPPL – English and Portuguese Premier League 🙂

LaFeteMattDog
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Seriously. I didn’t realize how many teams are coached by Portuguese managers…and a lot of new Portuguese players it seems. Moutinho. My friend that’s a Benfica fan was telling me about Marco Silva a couple weeks ago. Said he’s a really good manager. They seemed to be well-organized getting a draw on the road with only 10 men. And he used to be your team’s manager! From Wikipedia: On 4 June 2015, four days after winning the trophy, Sporting announced that Silva had been dismissed with just cause,[22][23] for not wearing their official suit in a cup match against F.C.… Read more »
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I like Marco Silva, he left because he had a bad relationship with Sporting president.
Before Marco Silva, Sporting also had Leonardo Jardim (Monaco coach) who i think is even better.
Jorge Jesus, our coach last season, was also a good one, but he also left after the violent events between ultras and players.

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Oh, he must be good. He’s the one that guided Monaco to the title a couple years ago with Bernardo Silva and Mbappe. Does he have a really good eye for talent or is he just a really good coach?

He went there in 2014 and both players came aboard in 2015. Must be him or someone in his entourage that can spot talent.

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Sox should get the afternoon game in. Not so sure about the night game.

LaFeteMattDog
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Two games? In one day? Impossible!

hugo #FreeBoney
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Its going to be strange to play the O’s without Buck Showalter next year

bring
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Tom E Curran says Brady wants an extension. I’d give it to him.

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Do you really think he’ll still be playing after 2019? Tbh, it would surprise me. I’m sure he wants an extension but at that point, he’s year to year anyway. Is it a good business decision extend him beyond that point now?

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We made our bed when Garop was dealt – might as well sleep in it as long as possible.

LaFeteMattDog
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It’s possible he’s still playing at an elite level after two more NFL seasons. But why do you have to make that decision now?

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To keep him happy I guess

hugo #FreeBoney
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Yeah, I don’t see why you’d extend Brady. You can cross that bridge when you get there.

cfpats4
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ESPN’s Field Yates reports some details of Tom Brady’s adjusted contract, as it relates to the salary cap: In addition to receiving an additional $5 million in incentives, Brady had $10 million of his $14 million base salary for 2018 converted into a signing bonus. That means Brady’s salary cap charge remains at $22 million this year, and his salary cap charge rises from $22 million to $27 million in 2019.

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As for Will Tye (6-2, 260 pounds), he falls into more of the Hollister category in terms of playing style, but I view him as having longer odds to make the roster. Meanwhile, rookie Ryan Izzo, the seventh-round pick from Florida State, had a solid debut on Thursday and could make a charge to stick around.-Mike Reiss

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If TB incentives are LTBE the Pats have a 2 mln cap space. Allen gone? or who else ?

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Giacomino da Recanati

J Mc and Gillislee = 5 mln too.

dp73
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Allen is 5M right.?

itsBradyBaby
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IT’S LUCIFER BABY

dp73
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He starts opening day !!!!!!!

MasterAndCommander
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Wow, Sox in a nasty pitchers duel last night…

cfpats4
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Beer league baseball

cfpats4
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It’s too early to tell but the jets and bills may have found their franchise qb’s

bring
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And our wonderful owner forced the greatest coach in history to trade away our next one

dp73
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So you would have traded Brady?
We couldn’t have afforded both.

bring
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Yes – I root for the Pats, not individual players

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Even if you trade TB (and there could have been good reasons to do that) you need to pay JG the monstrous contract he got. I still think that the idea that you need “a franchise QB” to win makes no sense. The great majority of “franchise QB” do not deserve the money they get, they rarely win SB and almost never multiple times.

bring
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Yes, all of that comes with it
Nothing worse than not having a QB, which we will all learn shortly.

bring
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Four negatives on that one above – please explain – none of you think Garop will be any good?

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I’m with you

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Lucien 2018- 95 Receptions 18 TD’s

Lucien: Thank you to the HOF and a people that voted for. me. Who would have thought that a UFA on a team such as the Patriots would make it this far. Thanks to my great QB in Danny Etling who should be in the HOF with me. Thanks also to my 4 time Super Bowl Coach Steven Belichick.

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I don’t think it would be safe for NE fans to travel to other cities if that scenario played out.

dp73
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That is what you take away from that joke ? 🙂

Calipatsfan3473
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Teddy looks pretty good- maybe the Pats should trade for him.

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Any speed LBs out there?

Calipatsfan3473
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No.

MasterAndCommander
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Cut ‘EM!!!

DinoScapelli
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All of ’em?

MasterAndCommander
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why not?

Calipatsfan3473
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Grandson going to play?

DinoScapelli
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Gilislee out, Hill in.
Cordarrelle can actually catch a football?
But Dorsett cannot.
The Linebackers still suck.
Titanic Trent might move well enough to play LT against real NFL players. Might.
Not much else to take away.

Calipatsfan3473
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I have hope for Dorsett.

DinoScapelli
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I am depending on him!

Calipatsfan3473
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It’ll be ok!

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Trent wasn’t a RT in SF due to not being able to play LT.
SF wanted to run, so they had a better run blocking LT. Brown’s specialty is pass blocking.

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Colts WR down with an ACL———————–>

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I know it’s just 1 preseason game, in the 2nd half… but I’m a bit excited for Lucien. It seems a LONG shot for him to make this team, but I remember 2 years ago when he and Mitchell were drafted and I thought he could be the more helpful receiver. I was wrong in 2016, but now the tables are turned and #19 is gone and Lucien has a shot… Depending on Decker’s speed in catching up, and Britt’s health, he could sneak on – at least while JE is out.

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He looked pretty good but was going up against their 3rd string defense- need to see him with a 1st team defense.

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It’s just good to see when everyone else is missing throws/catches, not getting open, someone who still gives it 100%. Like when he crossed the whole field to break open for that sideline catch. I just want to seem in there with Brady at some point.

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I’m with you. He’s impressed me two preseasons in a row. I remember Victor Cruz had a similar career trajectory (because it was against the Pats in preseason) before finally making it.

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I’ll be interested to see how Darnold plays tonight- camp reports have been good.

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Bill is giving the team another day off tomorrow- too much?

LaFeteMattDog
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He’s gone soft.

Calipatsfan3473
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Maybe he’s just pacing them? I don’t know- sounds like too much time off for me.

LaFeteMattDog
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I get it. He gives them the day off but he’s not happy with some of their play last night. Everyone is scared and comes in to work early on their off day. Reverse psychology…or something.

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He’s gaslighting them.

LaFeteMattDog
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Wow, I’ve never heard that word used before but that’s good! Have you been hanging out with litprof?

Neil X
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Really? You’ve never verbified “gaslighting” before?? Very useful construction.

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Man Utd beat Leicester 2-1

LaFeteMattDog
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Jamie Vardy almost had a party at the end but Boring United held on.

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Portuguese league starts this weekend too?

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I’m watching a Benfica game via reddit link (but there’s no sound.) Is this the regular season?

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@AlbertBreer

Source: Patriots QB Tom Brady’s revised deal has five $1M triggers for ’18 …

* Top 5 in QB rating
* Top 5 in completion %
* Top 5 in yds/att
* Top 5 in TD passes
* Top 5 pass yds

Each incentive becomes $2M if Pats win SB LIII; capped at $5M. (Min: 224 att’s, 70% play time)

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pretty cool that there’s a Y/A incentive. analytics, baby

LaFeteMattDog
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Can we get a WAR incentive? (Do they have that in football?)

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Brady has only met those 5 criteria’s 3 times in his career (2007, 2011 and 2017). Anything is possible with TB12 and that’s quite the carrot to dangle in front of him but imo it’s definitely not the best of deals for him. Gronk got an extra 5.5M when he became an all-pro last year to meet the highest requirement for his incentives in comparison.

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Deflated football during Steelers-Eagles was ‘defective;’ will be sent to manufacturer ‘for review’

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/deflated-football-during-steelers-eagles-was-defective-will-be-sent-to-manufacturer-for-review/

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They didn’t get docked a first rounder? I’m shocked!

LaFeteMattDog
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EPL season officially started 20 minutes ago. Man U 1 LC 0…Sports are back!!

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Has anyone put Webb and Hill in the HOF yet?

dp73
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See below.

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I would just like to find a way to keep Webb. Maybe he develops a mysterious injury just before cutdown.

LaFeteMattDog
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Then again, with Washington losing Guice, maybe he could be trade bait. Do they have any depth coverage linebackers??

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Can Hill play LB? I want 5% of his salary if this happens.

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Washington has other backs.

LaFeteMattDog
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Yeah, but they sucked last year, at least as far as fantasy was concerned. That Samaje Perine screwed me one too many times!

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Troy Brown brought up a good point. He talked about how last years defense initially seemed outclassed physically, and couldn’t play in a base defense. They obviously used a lot of schemes and such to overcome this deficiency, and finish as a top five defense. He thinks it’s promising that this batch of players can physically play a base defense.

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Guice :(((((

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Damn, Guice is out for the season. Torn ACL. That sucks.

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wow, I thought they said he had a sprained MCL and he was going to be OK. what a bummer.

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Apparently, Washington lost two players to ACL tears, last night. Guice and the TE.

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Devastating. Thought I heard that the 49r’s lost a couple of players too.

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I was looking at him for Fantasy football.

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Panthers’ Cam Newton shares words with Bills’ Kelvin Benjamin

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=84eqY4eXjkk

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It was funny .. KB wanted no part of that .. what a coward

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What were you expecting? Dueling pistols at dawn?

Calipatsfan3473
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At the very least.

Neil X
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Coward? What did you expect? KB would have been a damn fool if he wanted any part of that. Wrong time, wrong place. It looks to me as if KB learned from the guidance/tongue lashing he got from McDermott.

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Is there a way to watch all preseason highlights from last night in one video? I don’t want to click on a different video for every game but then again, maybe I do.

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No, but you can watch all highlights on NFL youtube channel

https://www.youtube.com/user/NFL/videos

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Thanks. Yeah, I’ve watched a couple but I didn’t really want to watch 10 minute highlights from each game.

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Pats still have big issues at coverage LB’s, that is maybe our biggest defensive weakness.

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This team will get torched all year by the crossing routes if they don’t figure it out.

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I whined a lot about the Solder departure, but it looks like BB was right again. Brown (LT) and Wynn (LG) on the left side of OL makes me really excited with this unit.

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solder was overrated

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not sure he was over-rated, but he is definitely over-paid

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I knew he was good, but not elite (like the money Giants paid for him). But the draft was so weak in quality OT and not many good FA were available.

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He Smack, Coutinho is a Portuguese citizen now! Aren’t you proud?

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Also, I concur. Brown is a monster. Wynn could be too, in time.

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Did Wynn even play?

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I don’t think so.

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In a certain way, almost all brazilian people have portuguese roots 🙂

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so a 2nd round pick for Colt McCoy should do it?
make the call bill

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Yes, it appears we don’t have a backup

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I remember back in the day when Colt McCoy was with the Browns and he lit up our defense, then, too. haha

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I thought about that the entire first half.

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Watching the Hoyer to Dorsett pass across the middle it looks like it might have been tipped but Dorsett DEFINITELY was going to be laid out if he caught it.

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I thought special teams in general had a bad night. Lots of penalties placing the offense & defense in bad field position.

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I hope to watch the game tonight … Thanks for ruining it for me .. 😛

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Spoiler alert: Pats win. 🙂

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Jeff Howe
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Ja’Whaun Bentley had a nice half. I’ve heard good things about his willingness to learn and ask a lot of questions. Sounds like they like the rookie.