Deep Impact: Patriots First Round Pick – John Hannah

-by DFWPatsFan

This article is a part of a series on Patriots draft picks since 1970 who made the best impact.

Thomas Edward Patrick Brady will probably go down as the best player to wear the Patriots uniform. But before Brady, there was this boy from Georgia. He was the first player to be inducted into the Patriots Hall of Fame. One could even say that the Patriots Hall of Fame was established in his honor. John Allen Hannah is considered one of the greatest, if not the greatest, offensive linemen in the history of football. Take not my word for it: Paul “Bear” Bryant and John Madden considered him without equal. But looking at him, you did not see a giant. How he earned that reputation was through dedication, practice, and attitude. Standing six feet, two inches tall and weighing 265 pounds, he possessed average size for an NFL lineman; however, as former Patriots head coach Rom Erhardt said, “With his attitude, John Hannah could play if he had been five feet two.”

Born on April 4, 1951, weighing 11 pounds at birth, Hannah had football in his blood. His father Herb Hannah played tackle for the Crimson Tide, and later for the New York Giants, before retiring to coach and teach in Canton, Georgia. Hannah excelled in football, wrestling, and track at Baylor Prep in Chattanooga, Tennessee, and graduated out of Albertville High School. He joined the University of Alabama, which had the legendary Bear Bryant as the head coach, and earned All-American honors twice, playing tackle and guard. Hannah possessed outstanding athleticism and quickness, as well as a powerful lower body that made him very difficult to move. He employed picture-perfect technique, ensuring his feet were always under him. He modeled his play after legendary Packers guard Fred “Fuzzy” Thurston, known for his power sweeps.

Hannah’s stellar play at the collegiate level prompted the Patriots to draft him with the fouth overall pick of the 1973 NFL draft. There were some questions about his ability to adjust from the straight-ahead blocking style employed by Alabama’s wishbone offense to the pass-blocking and pulling techniques required in pro-style offenses. Any such fears were quickly put to rest when Patriots coaches were so impressed by Hannah’s play that he became the starting left guard in his first season. While an unfortunate leg injury made him miss the final game of the 1973 season, he proved to be one of the most resilient athletes to play the game. Hannah began a streak of 42 consecutive starts, then sat out the first three games of 1977 on a contract holdout, before beginning another streak of 75 consecutive starts, ultimately missing only eight games in his entire career. He developed as the NFL’s most dominant offensive lineman, excelling in pass protection, run blocking, and the pulling guard on sweeps. He was also one of the team leaders, invoking a ton of respect from his teammates, often challenging them to the same level of commitment to the game he had throughout his career.

Hannah’s greatness between the lines, however, did little to hide an insecurity that plagued him: reconciling his unrelenting commitment to excellence with trying to remain popular with his teammates. This insecurity led him to become a control freak, trying to control everything and everyone around him by presenting a brash and confident personality. This extended to his business ventures, where at many times he was considered egomaniacal. Hannah detailed his internal conflict he faced much of his adult life in his highly introspective autobiography, aptly titled, “Offensive Conduct: My Life On The Line.” In addition to discussing his career and the rampant use of amphetamines and illegal substances in the NFL during his playing days, he revealed the circumstances surrounding the failure of his first marriage, the estrangement of his children, and how he ultimately found solace in religion.
Attitude was always the element of his successes and failures. Hannah brought in an aggression typically exhibited by defensive players. Former NFL coach and commentator John Madden had always wondered why most offensive players had milder personalities, commenting “The thing I always like about Hannah was that he had the same defensive player’s attitude; the aggression.” Asked in a later interview, if he had to start a new NFL franchise, which player he would take first, Madden replied “John Hannah.”

Former Jets star defensive lineman Joe Klecko said of Hannah, “John was one of the meaner guys to play against. It’s so funny because, off the field, he was a sweetheart. When he stepped between the lines, his demeanor changes completely. He was going to eat your heart out if you gave him the chance because he wanted to win.” Hannah considered Klecko and Howie Long as the two best defensive lineman he had ever faced. He was also greatly admired by Sports Illustrated, who called him the best offensive lineman of all time on its August 1981 cover. Hannah is also one of the very few players to make the NFL All-Decade team twice, for the 1970s and 1980s. His number 73 was retired by the Patriots.

It’s really tough evaluating individual performances on the offensive line. With left tackle Leon Gray and tight end Russ Francis alongside Hannah, the Patriots had one of the most dominant left sides of all time. But the impact Hannah made on the Patriots can be ascertained by viewing the team rushing stats before he joined the team, during his career, and after he left the team at the conclusion of the 1985 season. The Patriots established an all-time NFL record by rushing for 3,165 yards in 1978, a record still unbroken. In his last season with the Patriots, the team rushed for 2,331 yards and averaged 4.1 yards per carry, while the next season they only ran for 1,373 yards with 2.9 yards per carry. Elected to the Hall of Fame in 1991, Hannah described his mental approach to the game as: “Once I got on that football field, it was like a world of its own, and I could just verse myself in that environment. No one could touch me.” He continued, “My goal was very simple, I just wanted to be the best offensive guard that ever played football. That was it, pure and simple.” We can say for sure that he achieved his goal.

Author’s Note: I originally wanted to write about one player from both offense and defense, but I am curtailed by time and work. So I am changing this to one player that made the greatest impact at the draft round they were picked. Runners-up for this column in no particular order: Mike Haynes, Richard Seymour, Russ Francis, Willie McGinest, Vince Wilfork, Ty Law, Sam Cunningham, and Raymond Clayborn, among others.

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the story of second place finisher in the Boston marathon is so inspiring ..!! Makes me wanna start running ..!!! amazing

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Kirui?

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Sarah Sellers .. Was trying to find the link where I read it ..I will add soon

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RIP Sgt. Gunny

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I find it funny that people are shocked that players might not particularly like Belichick’s coaching style. For years, players have said it’s not a simple, easy or comfortable environment to be in. Ochocinco said it, Bruschi, Harrison, Seymour, I mean, the list goes on and on.

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Who’s shocked?

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Hi people. I was very busy with writing my thesis so couldn’t visit often. Are we ready for the draft?!

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Bring it on!!

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Was your thesis about the RPO and how to stop it?

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I’d be working for the Pats if it was on stopping RPOs haha

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As ready as we can be..!!! Not used to being excited about draft these last couple of years .. this year feels different

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Not one bit!

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The defending champ Geoffrey Kirui was in the field, two 2:04 guys in the group, the American champ Rupp. This Japanese dude wasn’t even a headliner. He doesn’t have a sponsor. He was decisively behind Kirui at 24 miles and he ended up smoking him over the last 2 miles. This is as good of a story as you’ll ever get in T&F.

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That’s a big upset.

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The only thing that sounds worse than running 26 miles is running 26 miles in wet shoes and socks.

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Working on the second round pick with the most impact for the Pats. Any guesses on the player?

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Jimmy G?? 🙂

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Ha ha no.

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Clue: he’s still a part of the Patriots.

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Matt Light?

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Nope. Good guess. Remember the article series is not about picks in the Belichick era, but since 1970 (modern Superbowl era.)

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Gronk or Chung?

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Gronk was definitely my next choice to this player. Looks like everyone’s focused post 2000, think back.

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Kevin Faulk?

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My third choice.

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I looked up who we’ve drafted in the 2nd and I think I know who it is. I won’t ruin the surprise though.

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Thanks :), this article might shed some light to most Pats fans, I hope.

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Jordan Richards?

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LMFAO. Somewhere, Jim got a stroke.

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You didn’t specify negative or positive impact.

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Everyone just had a stroke.

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If there’s a Mt. Rushmore for Patriots, the four faces are Belichick, Brady, Hannah and this guy.

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It would have to be a 5 face Mt Rushmore because I think you have to put Kraft on there

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Andre Tippett

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YUKI KAWAUCHI

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DE Okoronkwo from Oklahoma looks pretty medicore as well. More of an undersized 3-tech DT than a real DE. Needs to go to a straight 4 man rush kinda team. Seems like a good fit for the Cowboys.

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Who are your top DE prospects?

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I’ll share an article at some point, I’m way behind this year

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I’m unimpressed by the entire DE draft class including Landry. Sam Hubbard is the only player I see as a fit at the moment.

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Those saying Gronk should be traded aren’t thinking straight.

Negotiations happen all the time. Players use the tools they have to enact change. I’ll never understand folks being upset that players want to get paid as much as they can get, especially when your sport is amongst the most dangerous.

We’d all be doing the same.

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I don’t know why they just don’t say it’s a contract issue then. Him saying he’s still thinking of retiring kills his trade value anyway. Don’t think Gronk went about this the right way.

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Then just come out and say that you want more money. The cryptic tweets, the hemming and hawing on play or not play or WWE or acting or this or that. It’s getting to be a bit much. I get that it’s a negotiation and his agents may be behind some or all of it but it’s going too far

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Happy Patriots Day …!!! BB ‘s Birthday and TB ‘s draft day makes it a Patriots day !!!

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And it actually is Patriots Day in Massachusetts. Many people have the day off and the Boston Marathon is going on.

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Broncos release C.J. Anderson. Would be an interesting temp in the Dion Lewis role. More complete back than Hill.

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hopefully they draft a RB .. the class is good and need to keep the pipeline going ..

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Not mutually exclusive. The track record is to redshirt running backs. I’d think if they draft a running back, that guy either won’t play, or will be on ST only.

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The marathon is underway. 4:37 first mile for the men’s field.

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15:01 at 5k

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Wonder what would happen if Kraft accidentally dropped a suitcase full of money into gronk’s car-trunk?

At the risk of forfeiting their next 25 first-round draft-picks, of course.

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If that happened, I’d hope the league would punish the Patriots in the most severe way possible.

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yeah, but it’s 2 weeks till the draft & somebody has to stir the pot…on a serious note – it looks like Ravens are interested in Dez & the 3 teams in Dallas Division have no interest. San Fran or Houston probably be good fits for him & Jerrah probably hate it if he stays in Texas

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James Harrison has announced his retirement

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…on the day ESPN covers his workout routine again. I imagine he’ll keep working out, and ESPN will keep reporting on this “fascinating” topic.

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I was hoping he might come back, but playing time I think would have been an issue. I did enjoy him being on the team and he’s a sure fire HOF’er IMO.

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It shouldn’t be surprising at the surface that a 39 year old edge player is retiring, but he can still play. Great career.

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He probably sees past the few fans & idiot players who called him out last year…but, it would sure be thrilling if he retired a Patriot & Kraft made a big deal out of it…complete with a BIG hug from BB while on a podium. The REAL Pitt-faithful would freak & burn the City

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WAKE UP !!!!!!!!

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Another shitty day in New England.

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Playoff futility staring down at the Craps yet again. Need a big turnaround on the road to get back into it.

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Its the Craps, this is what they do, they choke every year.

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Craps lose in OT 5-4.

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RUh roh. Craps with a penalty.

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Craps don’t take advantage of a PP the last 2 minutes of the 3rd. Going to OT

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I didn’t think you liked the Caps.

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That’s why he calls them the Craps.

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I thought he had a spelling problem.

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Nope, try to keep up.

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I don’t enjoy hockey.

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Commie….

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Ping!

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Craps were once up 3-1. Now down 4-3 in 3rd, in danger of going down 2-0 in the series on home ice.

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Oh well.

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Now tied 4-4

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@NEPD_Loyko I’m sure the #Patriots will be intrigued as well and not because or the Rutgers connection, but he fits the scheme from a physical standpoint. Having his 3-cone and agility numbers would certainly help a little though
Turay looks comfortable in space. Not just a standup edge rusher.

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So you’re saying he doesn’t suffer from agoraphobia?

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Aw, the hell with it: Trade Gronk.

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you’re better off trying to reason with him and adjusting his contract toward his liking. they’d have you over a barrel on the trade market for a guy who is supposedly contemplating retirement.

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We’ve got to make a point though!

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He’s way too important to the team though! You know…when he’s healthy. And not trying to hold the team hostage.

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Trade ’em!!!

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*Until

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Uh-oh, Dino found the box of merlot!

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Arden Key looks thoroughly mediocre

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So does Harold Landry, to my dimming eyes. To be clear, though, DE/OLB does not strike me as a primary need in the draft. Two different types of ILB is what I crave, a fast one and a big one who can stuff the run and rush the passer inside, to replace Hightower in a year.

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I don’t think it’s a primary need either. I’m just interested in them.

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The edge rusher class is weak in general, as far as I can tell.

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Yep. Played pretty much exclusively standing up at LSU. Good production as an OLB for LSU, but that’s not a role that he’d actually have in the pros.

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I’m upping my bold draft prediction up to BOLD draft prediction.

In addition to Pats trading both 1st-rounders to grab Chubb – when he falls to #7…they will also now work on converting him to TE & use him as a 6-down player ( ;

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The problem of Westbrook is not lack of talent, he is clearly one of the most gifted players i ever watched.
The problem is that he takes the ball too much time and that makes his team mates look like spectators on the court

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The ESPN talking heads will be on full throttle tomorrow morning

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There’s a LeRight way, and a LeBrong way.

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Hola Dipo 🙂

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That’s not just a road win, that’s a wuppin’

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Cavs got closer in the 4th to 7 points, but Pacers quickly got back to almost 20 points lead

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Sorry Hugo, Oladipo is really the most underrated player in the NBA. The player nobody talks about it, but he is already a superstar

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Knockout

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SUPER OLADIPO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Oladipo is a proof that Westbrook is a great player but he doesn’t make his team mates better or even the team.

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How is this proof? Oladipo is 25 and his usage rate jumped a ton because the ball is in his hands way more. He could have just improved his game and gotten more opportunities.

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Oladipo should have played much more as PG than what he did in OKC

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How is that Westbrook’s fault? As another example, Oladipo’s steal rate is way up from his career average. He’s simply a better player now.

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Westbrook gets the ball all the time. that’s the reason Durant wanted to leave OKC

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It’s just silly to suggest that Westbrook doesn’t help his teammates or team because Oladipo is playing better in a different system on a different team. There could be many other ways to explain that.

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Westbrook got the help of PG and Carmelo and how did that work out?

1 more win than last year

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You’re missing my point, which is: it may be true that Westbrook is not a good teammate, but Oladipo’s play on the Pacers is not necessarily proof of that.

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Yeah, I get criticizing Westbrook for playing hero ball. But this is a bad example. It’s been written about in detail how Oladipo changed his offseason regimen, which parts of his game have improved, etc. He’s clearly evolved into a better player.

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Last year he was treated almost like a 3 and D player, when this guy already was much better than Roberson.
Westbrook plays PG but he really doesn’t make his team mates part of the game, he plays too much 1 vs 5 basketball.

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SABONIS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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I like this Pacers team

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Gronk is not replaceable by any of the TE in this draft, the same can be said about Solder

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Did the Patriots try to replace Moss or did they change the offense to reflect the players they had. They chose the latter and they would do the same if Gronk moved on. Teams adjust…they dont just replace a player and expect the other player to be the same, It doesnt work that way

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Gronk is much more important for the Pats than Moss ever was.
Gronk is not just a missmatch as catcher, he is also one of the best blockers in the NFL.
Every snap played by Gronk is valuable, either receiving or blocking

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Fine if you believe that BUT it still doesnt change the fact that the offense changes when players leave.
Do you seriously think the Patriots will call the same plays if Gronk left?

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Gronk leaving will affect big time Brady protection and i’m not even talking about the TD’s and yards he gets

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Gronks TD production the last 2 years has slipped due to injury and other factors.
LOL. I like Jimmy G but please…he would never replace Brady-no one can do that and to expect someone to do that is foolish.

Hate to break the news to you but Gronk is not some TD machine that people seem to think he is. He had one incredible season in regards to TDs with 17 but he averages under 10 a season over his career

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Jimmy is closer to Brady level (even if the gap is big) than Gronk to any TE in this draft.
This TE class doesn’t have any Gronk type of player. All i see are pass catchers or blockers, no one excels doing both

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Same was said about Moss. You simply dont replace a player with another player and expect the same results because all players have different strengths. The Patriots have already changed offenses several times. When Moss left they didnt try to replace him because it would have been insane to even try to do so so they became an inside the numbers team and dink and dunk. When Hernandez became a killer the Patriots didnt draft another move TE high to replace him they started to go outside more and moved away from playing the 12 package as much because no… Read more »

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Jimmy G had a better chance to replace Brady than any TE in this draft to replace Gronk

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Philadelphia Eagles @Eagles
Roster Move: #Eagles have released CB Daryl Worley.

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Expected. What an idiot Worley is

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Rob Gronkowski

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5 years later IT’S STILL OUR CITY! Help me and Big Papi raise money for the kids of Boston and get your Still Our City t-shirt today:

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i like Gilmore as player, but his contract is what it is causing all those waves in the locker room

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Why? He hit FA and signed and got market rate like FA’s do every year.

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Butler wanted to get paid, Dola thought he deserved for all the cuts all those years and now you have Gronk thinking he should get paid like one of the best players in the NFL

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Butler wasn’t a FA last year. This year he was and got a market rate FA deal. Are there Tenn Titans players mad about that too?

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Even if they hadn’t signed Gilmore, the players still would wanted to have gotten paid.

How many guys have left here over the years bc someone was willing to pay them more elsewhere?

It goes back long, long before Gilmore.

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And we can add Amendola and Solder to the list of players who left to make more elsewhere.

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If you take cuts, you take cuts. You can’t expect anything in return.

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Gronk made a business decision two years into his career to take guaranteed money up front. Players that do that and especially their representation know that they may be losing out long term by doing that.

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Guerrero is the root cause and Brady although he is the GOAT as a qb is a POS as a person. Who you associate with says a lot about who you are and Brady chooses to associate with a scam artist and Brady knows he is a scam artist so whats that say about Brady

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I am not a fan of Guerrero but don’t know if I am ready to torch all things Tom Brady just because he is involved with Guerrero.

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Jayson Tatum is the youngest player ever to record a double-double in his first playoff game

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Yahoo Sports story: Spurs star Kawhi Leonard expected to miss remainder of postseason, committed toward rehab toward full health.

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I have no problem that Pats pay Gronk what Brady earns.

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He is our second best player

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He is replaceable.

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If Gronk wants a new deal, fine. If he wants to go be a wrestler, fine. If he wants to be an actor, fine. If he wants to go to Tibet and meditate for 5 years I’m good with that too. But say what you mean and mean what you say and figure it out one way or the other. No more bullshit.

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TROY APKE safety Penn State
https://www.nfl.com/prospects/troy-apke?id=32462018-0002-5601-23df-c332e0865a01

Kind of player I like in the 7th or as a UDFA. Nothing special at all as stated by his grade but he has speed and if he doesnt pan out then you get rid of him

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Doug Kyed

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Karen notes Gronkowski and the Patriots have discussed his contract. Gronk currently is set to pull in just $8.9M in cash this season. He earned $10.2M in 2017.

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Time to trade Gronk and trade him to a lousy team. Gronk seems to forget about the millions he earned when he was hurt in 2016

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Trade him to Cincy.

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Bears or Browns

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For what?

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He has maybe 2 years left before he falls apart.
He wants another contract and is saying he will sit out from article someone posted below
You can get a high draft pick for him NOW
He is replaceable

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OK. So what are you going to do to replace his value over the next 2 years?

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Draft another tight end
Patriots have moved on from players before and the wheels didnt fall of when Seymour, Willie McD, D Branch, Ty Law or Milloy moved on and the same is true of Gronk
Use the draft pick to improve in other areas

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replace his value or his production?

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I used value because the term “production” lacks nuance.
Part of Gronkowski’s production is literal production. X catches for Y yards and Z touchdowns. Part of his production is his gravity on the field, commanding double teams, dictating opposing defenses, and being used by Brady to move around defenders and create opportunities.
So I really do mean production. But I said value to lump together the first-order production (stats) and production that leads to winning, or success on big stages, that isn’t measured in the box score.

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You can never replace a very good players production and anyone who thinks that is a fool. If Gronk moves on then the offense changes to meet the strengths of the players. The Patriots didnt get a player to replace Moss…they changed the offense to reflect the players that they had and the same scenario plays out if Gronk leaves. This isnt a video game where player X replaces player Z and everything stays the same.

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I get that on here, making a point is often more important than the actual sport, but it would be nice if people could outline how they intend to improve the team by trading Gronkowski.

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Short term, there is almost no way to do that. So if you’re in the “all-in, I want to give Brady as many weapons as possible before he leaves” camp then I agree.

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I think Average AL shut up below average Lou. lol 🙂

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A nice win for the Celtics today and a great game.

#12 came up big in clutch.

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Grand Prix of Long Beach- spin out in the first turn.

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Nascar?

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Indy car series.

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Pacers with 17 point lead at halftime in Cleveland

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I told you the other day something was up with him.