If the Patriots Were a Baseball Team (Updated)

-by DNOMN8R314

While we football sites have moved focus from free agency to draft preparation, Thursday is Major League Baseball’s Opening Day, bringing forth that spring feeling despite the March weather disputing the calendar.

Last Christmas I hypothesized a theoretical 25-man baseball roster out of the Patriots’ roster at the time. In the three months since, some key players have left while others are no longer on injured reserve. And with it nearly Opening Day and no wordplay posts immediately coming to mind, I’ve decided to update the thing. (Yes, most of it is copy-pasted from the Christmas post. No, I’m not re-writing everything.)

Starting lineup:

  • #14, Brandin Cooks, left field: Cooks has the prototypical speed for a leadoff man, and as a wide receiver has the hands to snag anything hit into the outfield.
  • #11, Julian Edelman, second base: Dion Lewis had this spot with Edelman on IR, but now that Lewis is a Titan, this place on the diamond and in the lineup returns to the wide receiver. And the description I gave Lewis fits Edelman to a tee: “A smaller player who might not have as much power, Edelman profiles as a middle infielder. I’d love to use his elusiveness but there’s not as much opportunity for elusiveness, except in rundowns.”
  • #12, Tom Brady, catcher: Like a quarterback, the catcher controls the game, aligning defenses and calling pitches. Of course, Brady was drafted as a catcher but chose football. And the best hitter almost always bats third.
  • #87, Rob Gronkowski, first base: Gronk’s power on the football field makes him an idea cleanup hitter, and his agility for a big man spots him at first base, where he’ll be able to catch any throw from the infield.
  • #54, Dont’a Hightower, shortstop: Hightower was on IR in December so Kyle Van Noy started in his place. But Hightower, the linebacker “captain of the defense,” gets placed at shortstop, the diamond’s “captain of the defense.” He also profiles as a hard hitter, so he gets a prime lineup spot as the fifth batter.
  • #46, James Develin, designated hitter: We’re in the AL – I mean AFC – so there’s a DH in this lineup. And that spot goes to Develin, the powerful fullback who’d hit baseballs as strongly as he blocks defenders.
  • #32, Devin McCourty, center field: The obvious choice for center field, McCourty’s range at safety would serve him well in the outfield. He bats seventh as a “second leadoff hitter.”
  • #24, Stephon Gilmore, right field: I originally placed Gilmore at third base, citing his length, but he’s now in right field where his range would be more valuable. Gilmore replaces Malcolm Butler at this position.
  • #15, Chris Hogan, third base: And moving in from the outfield is Hogan, who would also have significant range as a fast player but also has traits useful for a third baseman: good hands, quick reactions, and height.
  • #60, David Andrews, starting pitcher: As the man who starts each play on the gridiron, Andrews’ equivalent role as a baseball player is the man who starts each play with a pitch.

Bench:

  • #2, Brian Hoyer, catcher: As New England’s backup signal caller, Hoyer fits the profile and falls into the family of journeyman catchers.
  • #53, Kyle Van Noy, shortstop: As Hogan moves to the starting lineup, Van Noy drops to the bench, but stays on this roster, capable of filling in for Hightower whenever he is injured or needs a breather.
  • #34, Rex Burkhead, utility infielder: Burkhead has shown incredible versatility as a running back, meaning he could fit at any infield position. Range? Hands? He’s got it.
  • #18, Matthew Slater, utility everywhere: Slater’s main role as a Patriot is on special teams, but he has filled in as a wide receiver and safety for extended periods, making him an excellent choice as our all-purpose utility man.

Bullpen:

  • #61, Marcus Cannon, starting pitcher: Since the performance of the offensive line has such an impact on any game – protecting the quarterback, making plays effective – the offensive line becomes the starting rotation. Nate Solder was originally in this slot, but his departure allows Cannon to step in high in the rotation as the trusted veteran starter.
  • #69, Shaq Mason, starting pitcher: The young and on-the-upswing Mason gets the third slot, in the role of young starter on the upswing.
  • #62, Joe Thuney, starting pitcher: Thuney is another young guard who is very good but not at the same level of skill or consistency as the others. Thus, he gets the fourth spot in the rotation.
  • #68, LaAdrian Waddle, starting pitcher: On the offensive line, Waddle has been a surprisingly good fill-in for the injured Cannon, thereby making him our fifth starter. The possibility of his starting at left tackle at 2018 means that he is definitely in this rotation.
  • #3, Stephen Gostkowski, long relief pitcher: Like a long reliever, a kicker may have to take the field for a long portion of the game (relatively speaking), if there are plenty of field goals, or not at all. Plus I needed to get Gostkowski somewhere on this roster.
  • #98, Trey Flowers, relief pitcher: Since the main job of relievers is to protect a lead or prevent a deficit from getting out of hand, the rest of the relief spots go to defenders. Flowers, as the Patriots’ best edge player, gets the first slot.
  • #23, Patrick Chung, relief pitcher: Chung would also be a key member of the bullpen given his use in all defensive situations, used in coverage as well as against the run.
  • #55?, Danny Shelton, relief pitcher: This was originally Alan Branch’s spot, but Branch is a free agent and will not return in 2018. I considered Vincent Valentine, Malcom Brown, and Lawrence Guy to replace him here, but went with Shelton, who I think will be used more and has a specialized role, fitting Branch’s usage in Foxboro before he fell out of the DL rotation.
  • #52, Elandon Roberts, relief pitcher: Major League Baseball has seen an increasing trend of specialty relievers, who may come into the game to face only left-handed or right-handed batters. Roberts, as a primarily run-stopping linebacker, fits this role.
  • #31, Jonathan Jones, relief pitcher: So does Jones, who plays slot cornerback against certain receivers. However, Jones’ rise from special teamer only to capable defender fits that of a receiver who may first be used as a specialist but earns trust in more situations.
  • #30, Duron Harmon, closer: Obviously.

Happy spring. Let’s play ball. (Unless you don’t like baseball, in which case, I wish you did like baseball.)

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Atletico Madrid scored already? Sorry, Smackeroo.

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Dan Graziano @DanGrazianoESPN
DT Johnathan Hankins is visiting the New York Jets today. Former Giants second-rounder was cut by the Colts last month after one year. Hankins also has visited Washington. He just turned 26 on Sunday, and Pro Football Focus had him as the third-best… http://www.espn.com/espn/now?nowId=21-0773609471250273646-4

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People also don’t realize why i was so high on Jimmy G. His individuals stats (TD-INT ratio) are not overwhelming. But watch his poise when the game is on the line, his mindset, his body language. That’s why he wins so often, he can handle the pressure.
That’s the biggest skill i want in a QB, or a real playmaker in any kind of sport.

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JG is water under the Golden Gate bridge- we’re on to the draft.

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I’m gonna start posting gifs of carebears if we keep talking about Kaepernick..

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Yes!!!!
#MOARKAREBARES

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I had to refresh this webpage 4 times to post this comment. Not sure if it was worth it.

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As long as it’s not scary looking rabbits!!

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I’m not saying Kaep would fit any team and any system. But if you have a talented team with good defense and a realiable running game (hello, Jaguars, Broncos and Vikings), Kaep could give you a chance to win now until you draft and develop a franchise QB.

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I also remember when people called me crazy when i said Russell Wilson could become a top 5 QB in the NFL and that he was better than Luck (although i recognize Luck is more gifted to be NFL franchise QB, but he needs to improve his decision making).

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I was with you on that….{High-5} my Portuguese brother from another mother!

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Yep, we took a lot of heat back then

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What about the million other things you were wrong about?

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yes, sometimes i also like players like Dobson 🙂

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I wanted them to draft Kyle Wilson instead of McCourty.

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What more can i say about Dalton, a QB that even the Bengals want to get rid?

Mariota didn’t improve one bit this season. 13 TD and 15 INT

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I agree with all but Cousins. I think he’s better than Kaep. But the people who think your point is too silly to argue with don’t want to look up the numbers and prove you wrong. Because they can’t.

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What numbers do you want to compare? I’ve done nothing but state facts and stats. The only stats I get back are TD/INT ratio, which is irrelevant as far as I’m concerned because of the way he plays.

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QBR is a comprehensive look at how a QB performs. TD/INT ratio seems like a very important stat to me in terms of impacting winning.

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If the first read isn’t there then he runs, so he just goes 3 and out all the time instead of throwing INTs.

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And that give his team a better chance at winning than throwing an INT. That’s what Brady (not running but conceding the possession) did in his early years when they had a good defense, before he really learned to read defenses at a PhD level.

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His 2016 numbers require a lot of context. He went 1-11 on a terrible team, most of his stats came in noncompetitive games, and a lot of his passing yardage came on low-percentage bombs. He maintains good ratings and ratios by tucking the ball and running if his first read is covered, which can sometimes be good but is less and less sustainable in this league. Many teams would have to overhaul their offensive schemes to fit him in. Not saying he isn’t shunned, but he’s a difficult offensive piece to fit and rely on.

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3 – Carr and Winston have a great media. If you watch them at least a couple of games this season, i’m sure you watched some plays where they made costly mistakes that didn’t allow their team to win

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Marquette King visiting the Broncos————————>

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1 – Cousins is a polished version of Tannehill: nice individual stats, but watch his tape and see how many games he couldn’t handle the pressure to win the game.

2- Dak is a product of great O-line and one of the more physical RB’s in a long time. He needs play action to be any kind of threat. Watch his tape when he lost T. Smith (the LT) and Elliot

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NFL QB starters that are not better than Kepernick: Dak, Tyrod Taylor, Tannehill, McCown, Sam Bradford, Trubisky, Dalton, Keenum, Bortles, Mahomes, Cousins, Carr, Winston and Mariota

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Lmao not even worth a response

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thank god you aren’t a scout for the pats

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You’re not helping our argument by saying that Cousins, Dak, Carr, Winston, Dalton and Mariota aren’t better than Kaep.

They are.

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Cousins, Dak, Carr, Winston, Dalton and Mariota are ALL OVERRATED.

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Please stop.

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THey are overrated but if you’re just going by rating, Cousins and Winston are (slightly) better than him.

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Take a look at the San Francisco 49ers final drive and the reactions from all the players and coaches after the Baltimore Ravens win Super Bowl XLVII.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N9gZRYN60p8

1 PI away from the second biggest comeback in SB history

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love him or hate him, jim harbaugh is a solid coach

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True, but Kaep was the the perfect fit for their team, even though i think Alex Smith overall is a better QB.

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who?

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Lamar Jackson info you probably didn’t know – Louisville runs the same offense as the Pats. https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/news/2018-nfl-draft-four-qb-prospects-patriots-could-see-as-a-fit-for-their-offense/

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Looks like Kyrie suffered from a bacterial infection————>

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Doesn’t sound good

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Didn’t TB have an infection in knee when he was recovering?

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So the screws are coming out of Kyrie’s knee. Makes sense and is actually good news really

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Hopefully he recovers well.

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Do you think Tatum should shot more?

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14.4 FGA per game in the last 5 games. He’s shooting a lot. Also Tatum isn’t a ballhandler, so its not as simple as shoot more. The team needs to get him the ball.
They need Shane Larkin to get healthy. He’s their best approximation of an NBA point guard. Rozier is more of a small scoring guard, not a passer. Right now it’s the Marcus Morris as Carmelo Anthony show. And it’s real ugly.

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My final comment on Kaepernick because people still aren’t getting my point. Not good enough to be a starter (he might be better than some young starters right now but they need to develop). Too much baggage to be a backup (media distraction, nothing to do with his political or social agenda). So yes he’s better than most backups but most backups aren’t in the headlines.

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He could make the Jaguars SB favorites

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Doubtful.

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And this is why it’s pointless to debate. My only hope is that he gets another chance and reminds everyone why he’s out of the league. As if the Jags are sitting there like “hmm we could win the SB with him but it’s not worth it”

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Maybe he could go to the CFL- if he really wants to play.

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So half of NFL QB starters should go to the CFL also?

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dumb response

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That’s not what I said.

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right – the question is, does he want to play or not?

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Exactly- does he really want to get back into football? Or is his passion his social causes?- which is fine.

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The last year he played, he had a 90 QB rating, which would’ve ranked 18th among QBs with at least 50 attempts this year (I’m not inlcuding guys like Tayler Heinicke who had 1 attempt and Ryan Mallet who had 16). He also had 500 yards rushing at almost 7 ypc. So he is better than all backup QBs and the bottom third of starters. To say he’s a media distraction because people might ask his opinions on issues is weak. About 70% of the league is African American and almost all of them agree with his social stand. I… Read more »

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If you look at his stats, compare them to Jimmy G’s last year and STILL think Kaep’s not good enough to start in the NFL, then there’s nothing I can tell you. If you can see how Tebow, with all his “baggage”, was a back up for the Jets and it was no big deal, then there’s no point in continuing this debate with you. And lastly, he’s in the headlines because the media took the story and ran with it. Check how many statements he’s made since he left the 49ers and then compare that with how many stories… Read more »

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sounds to me like you have an agenda

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My statement has always been that Kaep has been blackballed by the league.

Clearly, by the deluge of subpar players give opportunities before him (with RG3 being the most recent), I’m right.

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I don’t think that sounds like he has an agenda. If you are using stats to back-up your point, you are being rational about it. I haven’t seen any of the anti-Kaepernick people use any scientific or statistic rationale behind their argument against him. It is all: “he’s a distraction”. That sounds more like someone with an agenda.

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@wojespn In the aftermath of left knee surgery, Boston Celtics All-Star guard Kyrie Irving will miss the rest of the regular season and playoffs, league sources told ESPN.
Tough blow, but the right thing to do.

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To add to that thought, I’m not sure why anyone is surprised that he’s being shut down. Irving reportedly needed his knee cleaned up last offseason. It’s a shame, but once he went under the knife this was a likely outcome.

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Terry Rozier suddenly as a very good opportunity to show other teams he can lead a playoff quality team as a PG. Still has one more year before becoming a RFA. If he looks good, his value will be high and I bet Danny takes advantage and moves him.

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I don’t know but I would rather have Rozier than Smart.

Smart has play good defense but hasn’t been very “smart “off the court.

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Yeah, Smart is the better player and he’s the same age, but Rozier has improved every year. Smart hasn’t really improved much. Hes been the same player since he arrived.

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That is a fair point.

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That sucks. Didn’t think we were going to win it all but would’ve been nice to see how far we could go without Hayward (and Theis). Silver lining is our young guys are gaining tons of experience.

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Don’t underestimate the significant of Marcus Smart being out either. Smart’s return is still up in the air.

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Smart had been playing better since that hand laceration incident. I thought Smart was going to come back for the playoffs…didn’t know he was done for the year too.

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If smart returning is iffy, then I think we should shut him down until next year too. Let his thumb heal completely…don’t want him to sustain additional damage

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Yeah, I think the Celtics have done as well can be expected with all the injuries and young players.

They have drafted solid NBA players in Tatum and Brown two years in a row.

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this season was tantalizing and painful

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Lakers sweep the Spurs this season. When was the last time they did that?

KUZMA FOR ROOKIE OF THE YEAR 🙂

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What pick was Kuzma?

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#27

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He already broke the Lakers record of rookie with more made 3 pointers in a season

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Yeesh. Definitely right thing to do. Hopefully no lingering effects from him or Hayward next year

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Who played LT in 2015 when Solder missed 12 games?

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Sebastian Vollmer a 2nd round pick.

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ah, yes, vollmer slid over – very good

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Patriots QB targets: Will Josh Rosen, Baker Mayfield, or Lamar Jackson become Tom Brady’s successor? A look at the best fits/how Pats could land them http://www.masslive.com/expo/erry-2018/04/a499034cd32232/new_england_patriots_qb_target.html

I’m not sold on Mayfield but whatever QB the Pats choose, I’ll live with because they know more about talent than I do. if they think Mayfield is worthy then that’s good enough for me until we see for ourselves that the QB is no good in a Pats uni.

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I still don’t think that they pick a QB in the first round but time will tell.

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I hope they don’t pick a QB in the first round…that’d be a bit of reach IMO, unless it’s a guy they really really relaly want and think is the future. Maybe we can get a QB in the 2nd or 3rd round.

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They will choose one at #43.

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seems like a good spot, though some teams might try to jump ahead of them thinking the same thing

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I hope they don’t in the first 5 rounds.

I have it as the #8 need
OT
LB
DE
RB
TE
OG/C
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QB

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We need to develop a QB for when Brady retires.

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We need to develop a team for both as Tom Brady declines and when he retires. Then you slot a QB in.

A first rounder may be relatively cheap at the position, but they are not cheap and you burn (likely/ at least) 2 years of control to “develop” a player that should really play in year 1.

We’re not going to find another Tom Brady.

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I don’t think they should trade into the top 10 for a QB. I mean if Bill feels that strongly about one of them I guess you have to but they have enough holes at other important positions that also need to be addressed. They don’t have to find the next guy this year. It would be nice but I don’t think it’s as big a priority as some others do

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I hope they don’t pick a QB early. They are in prime position with these 2 picks. Let other teams jump at the QBs and some good talent should slip to them.

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What do you consider early? 3rd round?We don’t have picks. In the 4th and 5th rounds.

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guessing first round means early

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I’m a sizist, so I would pass on Mayfield.

I bet McD is intrigued with Jackson.

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I’m entirely confused by the emphasis on QBs. You already have a very competent backup QB in Brian Hoyer. As Scratch pointed out farther below, drafting someone to be “QB of the future” just means you’re going to eat up their rookie deal clock while they aren’t playing. Now I get drafting a QB IF you’re convinced they can be a franchise+ guy. But this draft a QB to draft a QB thing makes no sense. People are throwing out all these names like they’re all worth drafting. There’s no opportunity cost to passing on the Baker Mayfields and Mason… Read more »

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Totally agree on this. The Pats currently have a team that can contend for a championship. Keep improving and building on that team and if a QB is good enough and available, you take him.

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If don’t think If you think Tom Bardy has 4 or 5 has left they maybe you are right but if you think he at his age could decline this year or next then you have to think about getting someone that can start a lot of games at some point. I don’t think the Patriots have to draft a QB in the first round or trade up to do so. They have drafted a QB’s in the 2nd and 3rd rounds before. Jimmy Garroppolo came in the 2nd round. Hoyer is a guy that can play for a short… Read more »

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I’m not saying “don’t draft a QB”, I’m saying “don’t draft one high just to draft one high”.

Pats need more premium talent on defense (and at LT) than anything else right now.

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Do you consider #43 or #63 high?

“I’m saying “don’t draft one high just to draft one high”.

I just don’t think the Patriots operate that way. They are very value based.

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Even if he has 3 years left…. You draft some guy, and sit him for 3 years. Then you get a year and you either let him go or pay him $30M a year to be just okay.
If you have conviction that some mid-round guy is Russell Wilson, go for it by all means. I don’t see why you would.

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I don’t think Brady has 3 years left.

Again, even when Brady was younger they drafted a QB in the 2nd and 3rd rounds. Garrappolo ( 2nd round) and Mallett ( 3rd Round).

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I’d give him 2.
Pats fans just have this romanticized notion of a succession plan in their heads, that we’re gonna snap our fingers and get a passer who can single handedly elevate their team again.
Want to be competitive immediately after moving on from Brady? Keep the team around the QB young and well-stocked, retain future picks, and keep the books clean…. so that when Brady retires/goes elsewhere/is traded, you’re in the position to win with D/ST/the run game, and add a controllable caretaker.

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I don’t feel that way.

I don’t think the Patriots will go away from what the have done before which is to draft a young QB that can sit and be ready when called upon.

Why do you think the Patriots will change that philosophy this year.

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I have that notion because I thought we had it with Jimmy G. I would love a Packers type transition and not a Broncos type transition

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Love that guy!

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I always find it funny that folks say “Kaepernick is drama” and point to his T-shirt and socks but ignore literally EVERYTHING else he’s done for the positive since then. I mean, if some articles of clothing he wore once almost 2 years ago is enough to frustrate you, may the problem isn’t him… RG3 literally bad mouthed his way out of the Redskins organization (has had 2 teams since). Greg Hardy beat the crap out of his girlfriend (signed with Cowboys). Big Ben was accused of rape TWICE (still celebrated as a starting QB). Ray Lewis was literally a… Read more »

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If your backup QB isn’t invisible, he’s a distraction. It’s ok with rookie QBs who will be taking over soon (see Mahomes in KC), but otherwise, you just don’t need media focused on the backup.

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Once again, Kaep had been quietly sitting on the bench until the media noticed and THEN asked him. He didn’t reach out to the media or set up a press conference. The media found out and then RAN with it.

So who’s fault is it for being a distraction?

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The media controls everything. They direct and shape public opinion. The media can spin a story and get the public to love or hate something. You shouldn’t be surprised by this.

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But regardless who is at fault, he now has become a distraction. Does his talent level outweigh the distraction? It’s a business so if your employee isn’t making you money and is costing you money, you do what is best for your business.

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Seriously, what is he doing NOW that’s a distraction? Providing money to charity’s? Being a good role model to his community?

He’s only going after the NFL because he’s not employed and we ALL KNOW WHY.

With all due respect, you guys need to really figure out why what he’s doing is considered a “distraction”. I really don’t want to play the race card, but it’s so evident…

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Um…HELLO!!!
Have you not been paying attention the last 2 years to how polarizing he is to people? He’s not a distraction NOW because he’s not on a team. As soon as he’s on a team, the media will eat it up, people will be up in arms, and then he’s back to being a distraction. Then once he’s a distraction, here we are again with the same debate. How is it difficult to understand?

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Like I said, he’s not the distraction. He’s even gone out and said he WOULDN’T protest anymore if signed.

At this point, it’s a principle thing because OTHER PEOPLE have an issue with him. He himself isn’t doing anything distracting.

You can be polarizing and not be the issue. Tom Brady, to an extent, is a polarizing individual, doesn’t stop him from being employed.

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You do know there’s a certain talent level involved right?. In your original post, all the players who were “distractions” were given 2nd/3rd chances because they were starters that were extremely productive (although RG3 is the lone exception but I don’t know how RG3 was a distraction). For the other players, their talent greatly outweighed the distraction so it was worth the risk. Now if many fans protested because a team signed Hardy, I bet the owners would think twice because they don’t want to get hurt in their pocket. Now I couldn’t care less if Kaep were on a… Read more »

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Please go look at Kaep’s stats of his last 6 games and look at Jimmy G’s stats of his 6 starts for the 49ers.

You’ll be surprised.

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Dude, there were people SUPER HEATED about Hardy getting signed and they STILL SIGNED HIM.

Tebow was polarizing and STILL GOT SIGNED BY TWO DIFFERENT TEAMS…and he was TERRIBLE. He also knelt and NO ONE CARED, they actually celebrated it and made it a “thing”.

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I don’t think it’s evident. I think it’s a talent issue for Kaep. Is he good enough to start for a handful of teams? Yes. Is he good enough for another team to sign him AND deal with the media shit storm that comes with it? No. It’s that simple. Again, if Cam Newton or Russel Wilson were the ones who first knelt during the anthem would they be benched and/or cut and then “blackballed” by the rest of the league? Hell no. I’m sure there are racial factors in play but it’s not the driving factor. Talent is

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You can’t call it a talent issue. His stats his last few games were pretty darn good. He was on a crappy team with TWO terrible coaches his last couple of seasons.

Yet, somehow he’s being held as the cause of his teams play when his defense was garbage, his skill players were nonexistent and his O-Line was a sieve.

The problem is that anyone has a problem with him kneeling or sitting during the anthem.

It’s victim-shaming at this point.

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I think it’s great the charity work he does. Still doesn’t change the fact that he’s not good enough to start and would be a major distraction as a backup.
Let’s say the Ravens signed him and Flacco has a bad stretch of games. All of a sudden the media and Kaepernick supporters are calling for him to be the starter. How is that not divisive?
Michael Bennett is a distraction too, but he’s good. If you have talent and can help a team win, you will get a job in the league.

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My argument was never about him starting. It’s always been “Is he better than most of the QBs in the league”, the answer is.

Note, that I didn’t say STARTING QBs.

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I understand, but he’s not better than most starting QBs in the league. After the draft there won’t be 1 team he could start for. He may be better than some younger QBs, but you have to develop those guys.

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And the honest to goodness truth, is Kaep is better than at least 5-8 starting QBs in the 2017 league.

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Is he better than Brian Hoyer and some backups? Sure. But then you have a media circus around a backup QB. Not ideal

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So you made my point and agree with me?

Good. Conversation done.

Tebow had a “circus” too, didn’t stop the Jets AND the Pats from giving him AT LEAST a shot in camp.

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You seem to downplay his “shirt and t-shirt” choices as if they are no big deal. He was trying to start a movement of equality and less brutality. Then he goes and labels cops as pigs by wearing those socks. OK, maybe you let that one slide. But then he wears a shirt of Fidel Castro, who happened to be one of the greatest oppressors of human rights that the world has seen recently. What kind of message does that send? How can you take a guy seriously who does that? It didn’t bother me but it did bother millions… Read more »

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With all due respect, I’m encountered more than my fair share of incidents with police so my own perception of them is very negative. Kaep’s position has always been against POLICE brutality, so whether you like it or not, the “pigs” socks are pretty apt for his position. The Castro shirt was stupid, but hey, I already said I don’t agree with it. My point is that, if those are the only things bothering you about the guy, you’re clearly ignoring his last 2 years of incredible community service. My initial post was pointing out other players who had 2nd… Read more »

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With all due respect, I find it absurd because his clothing choice was a direct contradiction to the platform he supposedly was trying to push. I’m not ignoring what he has done since. I applaud whatever good he’s trying to do and has accomplished. But when someone is that blatantly hypocritical then I think it’s fair to call them out on it whether it was 2 years ago or 20. And I think it’s equally fair to question how serious they are about said platform if they can be that naive, flippant and insensitive

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I like the way he thinks

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If they don’t trade out of those spots and end up with that, I’d be happy.

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It’s either THC or XTC in Alaska tonight…….

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This is me trying not to be a debbie downer.. cause I carebear

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No more deep throat. So sad. But I’m down with it.

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If Brady sits until the midway point of the season, the Pats will have a chance at going all the way. Though, I honestly feel like his days of playing 19 games– and winning the 19th– are over.

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Maybe Goodell will suspend Brady 8 games for having a messy locker.

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good old skip… stirring that pot

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Nah, Rick is the one who stirs the pot

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SIgh

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Couldn’t have said it better.

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Doing a little bit of scouting. Not a lot of lazy underachiever types among the top-ranked defensive players. This class seems more polished than usual.

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evening folks!

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@FieldYates The 49ers have signed former Chargers LB Korey Toomer to a one-year contract.
Really think he’s a breakthrough guy. Would have liked to take a flier.

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Well, at least he went to the 49ers, Pats fans second favorite team in the NFL! 🙂

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It’s Jimmy G, baby!!

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ok if they could shoot better than 1-13 from 3 I guess they’d be OK honestly

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@MikeGiardi
Don’t discount Lamar Jackson. Just don’t do it. The more people I talk to, the more and more I hear his name. Perfect sit-and-wait QB for those teams that have one for at least another year.

The smokescreen continues from BB. I can’t wait to see who we really draft!

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2 first round special teamers. Book it!!!!

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I’m watching GM street now and Lombardi is advocating it too. Says that he’s a QB with the biggest upside and the Pats would be interested. I respect Lombardi so I suppose I shoud be open to it.

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Unfortunately for him, he’ll end up a Jet.

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If the Bruins win out, they’ll get the division. Not an easy task.

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I’ll be shocked if they don’t win out!! NoPucksOff!

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Got Florida twice who are still in playoff spot desperation mode.

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Celtics have been stuck on 26 points for like 4 hours. Can’t win if you can’t score.

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would have liked to see what they could do when healthy. Maybe next year.

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this is how these games should be going tbh. no idea how they’ve been doing it with the guys they’re putting on the court

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smart coach and players willing to go head to head regardless of talent.

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True. But they’ve been playing some sloppy bball tonight offensively. Missed shots are one thing but a lot of plays are guys driving into the lane and turning the ball over.

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Toronto is also playing like it’s a game 7. They’ve been sucking and need to hold that one seed so they can avoid cleveland in the 2nd round

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Nice going Edelburger.—>>>>

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What’s up MAC and cheese?

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HI

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Lions have some funny book keeping going on—————————–>

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Ohtani with another HR today- the Angels may have something here!!

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https://twitter.com/BenVolin/status/981491603343785985

The responses to Ben Volin trying to get credit for predicting the Cooks trade (when he advocated cutting him) are hilarious. I love the one where the guy says “THIS GUY” and posted a gif of Belichick picking his nose.

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Thank you. That was hilarious!

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Brady Rodgers Wentz Wilson Jimmy Cousins Dak Carr Ben Alex Smith Goff Brees Mariota Jameis Cam Stafford Luck Rivers Keenum Watson Foles. And a bunch of young guys who have way more upside than a 30 year old scrambling QB

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No one is saying Kaep is “elite”. That’s your canard. Of the QBs on your list, Brady, Rogers, Wentz, Wilson Carr, Goff, Brees Mariota, Winston, Luck, Garoppolo, Stafford and Rivers are **not available to any team**. They are irrelevant to your point. Sure, anyone would take Rodgers over Kaep. Not going to happen though. This offseaon, indeed Smith, Cousins, Keenum and Foles were available But over the past two seasons (2016-2017), how many of those have averaged at least 15 TD passes per season and a 4:1 ratio of TD passes to INTs, with a greater than 90 QB rating?… Read more »

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Not really good plus high class drama equals no job .

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He’s been blacked ball for sure but if he was that good someone could had signed him by now.

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You are insane if you think those QBs are not better than Kaepernick. Also, the Ravens brought him in for a potential job last year and his loud mouth gf went off on the owner for being racist. Ya, totally no distraction there.

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“how many of those have averaged at least 15 TD passes per season and a 4:1 ratio of TD passes to INTs, with a greater than 90 QB rating?”

You didn’t even mention the 500 rushing yards at 7 ypc.

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Wow Dree Brees only had a 3:1 ratio and only 12 rushing yards. I can’t believe they didn’t try to upgrade with Kaepernick last year!! Must be racist.

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Again, nobody is saying he’s better than Drew Brees! Absolutely nobody!

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I’m just saying it’s easy to cherry pick stats to turn the argument in your favor. Kaepernick is a one read QB and if it’s not there he takes off and runs. Defenses figured him out, but it’s a fruitless debate because neither side is going to change their view.

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http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/9697/luke-bowanko

Scar will make him an All Pro LT in 1,2,3, 🙂

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Maybe

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Whenever I lurk these past few days, I can’t “Like” (or dislike) any posts. Therefore, you have no idea that I am here. Yet Eye see all.

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IF you reload, you can like a post. It seems you have to reload to do anything.

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Kap sucks n the drama didn’t help, if he was good he could be on a team already, not really good plus drama equals no job .

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Eh, I get being upset that the owners are holding his protest against him, I really do. It’s a sh*tty state of affairs that he’s being punished for not being a robot, and it’s another example of how callous/ugly NFL football is. The thoughts I’ve contributed below, are just frustration that for months, we’ve had to endure being lectured by non-sportswriters, who have never given a single thought to NFL team-building in their lives, with statements like its an outrage that Kaepernick isn’t signed but Josh McCown is! Josh McCown isn’t signed for his raw talent. He’s there to play… Read more »

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Own Goal >>>>> Ronaldo

(My last soccer post.)

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the fear of Messi 🙂

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Davenport, Griffin, and Kolton I like. Not sure about the CB. I might think about a QB there.

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Which QB?

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Good question. I’ll defer to Bill on this one. Maybe Lauletta?

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The Dow Jones Industrial Averages went from a low to a high over a range of 700 points today. The big traders are making billions with this instability.

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There is a Safety in this draft class named Tre Flowers.

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How many is too many? #MoarTreFlowers

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It’s not just this site having problems: nfldraftscout.com is partially down as well.

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Blame the Russians.

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Dino, I noticed that a few months ago. It appears to now be hosted at draftscout.com instead.