Don’t Try This At Home: Hand, Payne (Alabama)

-by Hugo

Da’Shawn Hand, DL, Alabama
6’4”, 289 lbs, with the prototypical body of a strong-side defensive end. Was the #1 recruit in his high school class.

PROS:

  • Sets a hard edge. Bullies tight ends.
  • Flashes ability to drive single blockers backwards.
  • Fast in a straight line. Can chase ball carriers down the field.
  • Burst off the line allows him to muck up plays in the backfield and occasionally make a big play.

CONS:

  • Linear athlete, fast but doesn’t have the bend to get by as a pure speed rusher.
  • Doesn’t defeat blocks, more of a pusher at this stage.
  • Plays upright. Needs to improve technique to move offensive tackles.
  • Will be 22 in training camp. Not as young as you’d like a raw prospect to be.

Hand is a developmental player. Presently, he can set the edge on early downs. In time he may be able to add weight or learn to rush from the 3-tech. I would consider him in rounds 6 and 7, or as a priority free agent.

Da’Ron Payne, DT, Alabama
6’2”, 308 lbs, with an NFL-ready body. Played at 320 lbs. in his penultimate season for the Tide. Has lined up at NT, 3-tech, and 5-tech.

PROS:

  • Outstanding lower body strength. Generates a lot of power out of his stance.
  • Quick hands, attacks interior linemen and has the strength to get them off balance.
  • Has a plan, uses swim and rip moves to complement his quickness.
  • Plays with good leverage when going upfield.
  • Can hold the point of attack adequately enough to two-gap in the pros if asked.
  • Has been exposed to different roles in college, should be a day one starter.

CONS:

  • Will managing his weight be an issue once he gets rich?
  • Is he a product of “the system”?
  • No obvious weaknesses on the field.

Payne is quite simply the best front seven prospect Alabama has produced in a long time. I would draft him with a top 10 pick.

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Joe Thomas said something, r/Patriots is (analytically) taking it apart
https://www.reddit.com/r/Patriots/comments/7yrf2l/brady_belichick_tension/?st=jdv41we6&sh=7abd7421

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DINGOAL X 2!!!!!

USA 2-0 early 2nd.

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Whelp. US assured of one ice dancing medal medal tonight. Small chance for 2.

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USA 0 SVK 0 after 1

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Who knew? You can leave “points on the ice” on ice dancing?

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Rodney Harrisons “a football life” is on NFL network

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nice OT win by the Broons today

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Yep. And a month ago it looked like Tamps Bay would easily win the division, Now both BOS and TOR are closing in fast. And BOS has games in hand.

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if the Celtics can get back on track after the all star break then hopefully both Boston teams will be in good position for a postseason run

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Yeah, the slump needs to be stopped. Hopefully the break helped them a bit.

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JDM deal is pretty good by the Sox overall. Hinges on production, but don’t they all? The money tapers reasonably into “moveable if necessary” territory, and if he opts out after 2 years then the Sox probably got his best two years. Dombrowski seems to have read the market pretty well here.

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MAC, I present my cooking challenge to you. This is possibly one of the more involved dishes I make. Really hard to get the right taste/presentation, but if you do.. man is it the friggin best: http://www.seriouseats.com/2014/10/how-to-make-cassoulet-chicken-food-lab-french-casserole.html

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Hmmmmmmmmm……

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I just listened to Fergie spangle the banner with stars. Two observations: 1. Marilyn Monroe’s corpse got animated, so did JFK’s penis.
2. Did this tie with Carl Lewis or was it worse? Well, Roseanne Barr is still queen of the Barr Mangled Banner.

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Except Carl Lewis and Roseanne Barr aren’t singers.

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Wait Fergie is a singer?
– Boney

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I thought Fergie was some British women that married a prince and does diet ads.

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MARCHAND SCORES IN OT!!! DINGOAL!!!!!!!!

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Rask was awesome

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“Stood on his head” as they say in hockey parlance.

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Wow, the game was in Calgary but it looked like the majority of fans in the arena were wearing B’s jerseys.

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1. Pedroia/Nunez 2. Benny 3. Mookie 4. JDM 5. Devers 6. Bogaerts 7. Moreland/Hanley 8. Vasquez 9. JBJ

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Seems I have made it home in time to catch the end of the B’s game. 1-1. Win the 3rd, something something…

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5 years, $110M for JD Martinez….. front loaded with an opt-out after 2 years. So if Martinez is good, he’ll probably just opt out anyway. Meanwhile, Boston is on the hook if he isn’t. Hopefully JD can sustain his production from the last few years.

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Seems like they’re taking a big chance.

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Had to be done. I was terrified after the contract Hosmer just got from SD. This doesn’t seem bad in comparison. He’ll be 32 when eligible to opt out, so like Price it looks like they will be stuck with him unless he tears it up.

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Great! Is he a five-tool player? Let’s do this.

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He’s a one tool player. But good at that one tool.

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Home runs? I just looked up his wikipedia page (because I don’t know anything about him) and I thought it said something about being a finalist for a gold glove one year. I guess that means nobody hit it to him that year?

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He’s a butcher in the OF by every measure. He’s also hit 105 HRs in 3 years, despite missing a lot of games.

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He’s gonna be the DH. Terrible fielder. Easily the best power hitter on the Sox now though.

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Bring back Papi!

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Heya

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Martinez to the Sox———————>

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Gotta wait and see the numbers on this one.

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Alright got it.
Fanspeak username: memokerobi
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Just google fanspeak ultimate gm and enjoy. Better than first-pick lol

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I’ll check it out later. Thanks Memo!

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I purchased the Ultimate GM simulator of Fanspeak while waiting at the airport. I will share the username and password with you guys so you can play around with different Pats offseason scenarios.

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Thanks!

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I’m just trying to figure out how to change the password because I use the current one for almost everything lol

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Also.. my grandma’s ‘old country’ is slaying it in the olympics..

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Canada or Norway?

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Norway

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o boy, looks like JDM is about to sign with the Sox. Very interested what the contract will look like.

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where did you see this

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Jon Heyman‏Verified account
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Breaking: JD Martinez and Red Sox are moving close to a deal. not done yet. details not known yet.

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Heyman used capital letters? I’m shocked!

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I’m just now realizing Gruden was a visionary when he was glowing over Nick Foles all those years back.

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No…just…no.

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I know, I’m scared too.. it’s going to be okay

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Nick Foles is the visionary. He wrote “the waiting is the hardest part” 40 years ago.

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What actress??

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Never heard of her.

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Still don’t recognize her- she must stink.

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Sounds like more of a dancer than actress.

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a SB ring?

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you are an evil man

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Kraft tried but BB had other plans this year.

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isnt that the truth

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Doing “chores” on a holiday stinks 🙁

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Hung new curtains after washing the windows, roasted a chicken for dinner, did some errands, vacuumed, washed the floors- I need a nap.

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if only bank tellers, post office workers, and other government employees were as dedicated as you are.

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Yeah- that lazy Mac!!

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I was thinking about this yesterday. Isn’t the “no mail on Sunday” thing an anachronism?

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dont do them then

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Too big of a risk.

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that is scary

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Windy up near you?

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I really hope Gronk doesn’t retire this upcoming season. There are lots of holes on offense if he leaves. We potentially could have all new TEs, One or both of Dion/Rex could be gone, could possibly lose Dola if he doesn’t take a cut, might lose Solder and Fleming, and Jules will be coming off ACL surgery — if he gets back to normal, it will probably be the year after.

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he’s seriously thinking about retiring?

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Apparently he was considering it earlier in the year because his body was taking a beating. Then I think the concussion may have pushed him closer. On top of that, WWE is wanting to sign Gronk.

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This Fergie meme about her anthem rendition is hilarious…

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best part was all the athletes snickering while she was singing

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It was definitely painful to watch/listen to.

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She was in Black Eyed Peas — the singing group, not the legume…

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Currently, the immediate concern is whether Jonathan Jones will be back in time for the first game of the season. Apparently, he has an Achilles tendon injury, the extent of damage currently unknown. This might change the offseason plans/acquisitions.

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but seriously though… Pats D and ST in the SB… WTF?

At least I was watching it in Maui at a swim-up bar and my wife was in a bikini, and I was drinking MaiTais and eating shrooms. Made the performance a little easier to take.

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I’m gonna post (non-Butler related) thoughts at some point. I think there’s some hard questions that need to be asked.

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I would agree

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Question #1: WTF?????

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succinct question

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Belichick really hates you. To add salt to your wounds, McDaniels. Ha ha.

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to be honest, as much as I am not a big McDaniels fan (everyone here knows this), I am glad he is staying, to give some continuity. I just hope he eventually still moves on… just not this season. Would have been tough to lose both Coordinators at once. And after how poor the D was in the SB, let’s see what Flores can do (not that it was all Patricia’s fault). I’m just glad Scar is coming back. And I applaud McDaniels in not going to the Colts, that’s a horrible job. Glad Joe Judge is coming back too.

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I suspect the Colts weren’t completely open and honest about Luck’s health, both past and present, and when push came to shove at decision time, Josh decided not to bother with them.

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smart move. not every promotion is a good promotion.

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Oh my God. Hunter said something positive about McDaniels!! I don’t think the ‘shrooms have worn off yet.

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Greetings

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IT’S ALIVE!!! IT’S STILL ALIVE!!!!

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BARELY!!!

I’m “on to Atlanta United”…

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Well, there’s baseball. Hugo will be happy to share his thoughts on JD Martinez.

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logging out now…

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@tomecurran Share with me your best/most obscure presidential-named athletes.
Not sure if he’s in the league right now but there’s a linebacker named Andrew Jackson

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Reggie Cleveland

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Pearl Washington

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Trot Nixon

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Mookie Wilson

Ok, I’m stopping now.

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James Harrison?

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@NEPD_Loyko Yes, everyone expects them to get JD Martinez and they likely will. What is infuriating is trying to sell us on last year and that they were good enough, like we are stupid.
…..well, this is awkward.

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I have never seen so much doom and gloom over a team that won back to back division titles for the first time in 100 years.

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The DH pool just got deeper, Rays DFAd Corey Dickerson. He had a bad 2nd half last year but he hits everything hard.

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Not great at getting on base, but he crushes RHP. Career line of .284/.331/.535 vs RHP. He’s been characterized as a breakout player last year, but he really just got more plate appearances. Only 28 years old, too.

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Can he play LF? because of their roster constraints, they can’t really sign a DH only player. They need a guy who can play at least 20-30 games in the outfield

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He is an outfielder, but he’s graded out poorly in the past. 9 career assists so he doesn’t have much of an arm either. The hope would be that range is more of an issue than glove (good FP) and he’d be better in our LF.
He can really hit though. No clue why the Rays DFAd him.

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He’s going about it patiently and without sensationalizing it or offering speculation so I have no problem with it. He’s a reporter and it’s a big story for the fanbase. As I’ve said since BB said it wasn’t disciplinary, the simplest explanation why Butler wasn’t involved is that there was a combo of illness affecting his prep/performance issues in the Jags game (see Hurley’s article) causing him not to start. Then he was clearly very, very emotional at the start and at the end of the game–if Boyer/Patricia/BB thought he wasn’t able to get his head right DURING the game… Read more »

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Loyko, pounding on the tray of his high chair ——>

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good locker room guy right there

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Hello all.

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good night all.

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Night Mac.

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NEB says there is a “New Comment” bar on Zoo’s site. I don’t see it.

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i believe it pops up if a comment is added while you’re looking at the page without a refresh or something like that

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ok. i’ll check later.

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It’s a blue bar, just below the chat box that says “show one new comment”… press it.

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Nope. Don’t see it on my iPad or desktop.

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hey everyone… whos the info for Zoo’s new site?

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thanks!

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That site is down. I sense conspiracy and censorship. 🙂

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Hey Bones, I think Zoo was going to make you, me, Dino, and Wyo mods on his site. i don’t know when though.

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How do I get the beast to be my avi on Zoo’s site?

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I did.

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I used my FB connection and it brought up an old avi. Not sure how to change it on there.

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Eh- I’ll just use the standard- not a big deal.

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Yeah, the one on Disqus is my original sailing ship avi. I’m ok with that right now

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agreed. we may have to ask him about Mod capabilities, etc.

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A little eager to be a mod, are we? Not sure why you guys need so many on this site or any site anyways. This is by far the tamest sports site I have ever commented on

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Well, at one time it wasn’t so tame. However, most of the folks who trolled etc. don’t come here anymore, so it is better.

The reason for the number of mods was to cover as much of the 24 hrs. as we could. SOme mods were part of the day crew and others were part of the night crew, sometimes with some overlap.

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It’s your world, Captain.

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Aha! It looks like I can edit the Disqus settings to match this one. May try it later.

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So I am Mac Cannon on Zoo’s site. Had to change my FB name a year or so ago when they were cleansing non-real person names.

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And we care because why???

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Because we know you would be easily confused. 🙂

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Not really.

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WORD!!!! and FEATURED!!

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LOL. Not a real name. What email addresses was Zoo sending his emails to?

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Oh. I take it you had to sign up via Disqus?

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That is an awesome pornstar name!

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Mac’s 2nd career.

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LOL. Whwn FB purged the MasterAndCommander name i tried to think of one that was close to it and recognizable by this crew but also looked somewhat like a real name. Mac Cannon seemed to be OK for the new FB requirements.

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German bobsled flips over on last turn. Still moves into first. Meanwhile, US team stay upright, finishes 24th.

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LOL

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Just log in with Disqus. I think you should have an account. Weren’t we using that at some point here? If not make one.

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It’s up?

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So is this site ending? Is Frank going to shut it down?

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Ok. Sounds good.

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Damn Boney, please wait a few seconds while the signal is sent into motherf*cking space and bounced off a satellite that took years in the making and cost countless human lives so that you can receive your goddamn confirmation e-mail!!!!!!!! 🙂

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JK, broseph!!!! 🙂

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please wait 12-16 months for your email, as it could take a few minutes.

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Team Lebron seems better than Team Curry

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Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

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All-star games are pointless. Can we just get back to the games that matter?

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what about the NBA Finals?

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Nah, until July 🙂

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Pretty poor attendance at many venues.

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The time zone doesn’t work for any part of the world except Asia

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I have no problem with Harrison coming back to try to make the team…as long as that doesn’t stop them from drafting or getting other LBs or DLs from FA.