Y Factors 2017: Patriots at Raiders

-by DNOMN8R314

As the New England weather finally turns to fall, the Patriots fly south for the winter. Okay, just for the week. (I’d put some remark in Spanish here, but I don’t speak Spanish and I don’t trust Google Translate.)

Height advantage: The Patriots have spent the week in Colorado after their victory over the Broncos to adjust to the altitude, while the Raiders have practiced in Oakland. This could give New England an advantage in conditioning and endurance as they will be more used to the thinner air at a higher altitude. Bill Belichick always emphasizes conditioning, as was demonstrated by Super Bowl LI, so this could be another game where play in the second half determines the game.

Speed kills: Oakland’s secondary has played poorly in 2017, having yet to record an interception, so the Patriots could look to throw even more vertically than normal, sending Brandin Cooks and Phillip Dorsett deep. On defense, New England was notably burned in the opener by the Chiefs, particularly speedster Tyreek Hill, so it’s possible the Raiders try to duplicate that by using Cordarrelle Patterson more often on offense. Of course, the Patriots’ defensive backfield has improved as a unit since September, so such a strategy might not work, but Patterson might be a sneaky player to keep an eye on for Oakland.

Center punch: With David Andrews deactivated due to illness, Ted Karras will be his replacement against a pressure-generating offensive line. While most of that push comes from edge rushers such as Khalil Mack and Mario Edwards Jr., the interior will need to do its job as well in order to give Tom Brady time to find his receivers.

I realize I don’t have all that much to say about this game, so to conclude I’d like to wish everyone a happy Thanksgiving (I’ll do a full Thanksgiving Day post for Thursday), even the annoying advertisers who have been running Christmas commercials for over a month already.

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dp73
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http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/1163/tom-brady

“any Achilles’ issue is a concern.”

I would agree with that but let’s hope that it is not that bad.

MasterAndCommander
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Happy Thanksgiving to all!!!!

dp73
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And to you as well.

LaFeteMattDog
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Tendenitis is just inflamation of the tendon, not a tear. I think that’s probably more common than a tear. I don’t know for sure I’m not a doctor. But my dad is. I’ll ask him tomorrow!

BoSoxJim
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Why are people going there? They said he’ll probably be back at practice tomorrow.

LaFeteMattDog
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It could just be tendenitis and a consequence of being an older athlete. That’s nothing serious. However, it could also be partially torn and in danger of being completely torn with further stress. We don’t know but I’m really not worried. I think Brady could still be MVP on one leg if it came to that.

BoSoxJim
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or a door closed on it. took a cleat to it. we have no idea what happened. showed no signs of anything during the game or after when he was walking off the field.

LaFeteMattDog
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I’m pretty sure Guerrero has an achilles re-attaching potion that works in 6 hours.

LaFeteMattDog
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I think the streak may come to an end tonight.

LaFeteMattDog
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I’ll be the first to say it (but I know you all are thinking it): Fire Brad Stevens, fire Ainge, trade Kyrie for a 2nd round draft pick and start over!!!!

LaFeteMattDog
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That is long overdue.

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LaFeteMattDog
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She’s one of my favorite singers. I’ve seen her twice in my neighborhood, including once last year at a musician’s studio loft behind a market basket in Somerville. It was an incredible, intimate show.

LaFeteMattDog
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{hi-5} on that brother!!!

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anyone have a stream for the celtics

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LaFeteMattDog
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Why is everyone so high on Josh Doctson? I really don’t know much about him but he averages 4.8 fantasy points on the season. 96% of fantasy pros prefer him over Ted Ginn but I don’t think he’s outscored Ginn a single week this season and I just read this in Matthew Berry’s Love/Hate column: “We keep waiting for a Josh Doctson breakout game, and I think it has a good chance of happening on Thanksgiving night. The Giants allow the second-most deep passing touchdowns this season, and Doctson leads the Skins in deep targets” Can someone explain why people… Read more »
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https://goo.gl/igfhmW
I just read this from an nfl.com writer that, at least, explains part of the statistical thinking behind his anticipated breakthrough. I don’t know if I agree with it but I may hold on to him on my bench for the week to see if it comes to fruition. I can drop another WR but I ultimately need to decide who I want to start this week. So far, it’s between Ginn Jr, Rishard Matthews, and Kenny Stills (if Hogan makes a miraculous recovery this week, he’d be the guy!)

LaFeteMattDog
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That’s the way I’m leaning too.

EnashWaca
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Well, might as well bounce then. Happy Turkey Day to the rest of pats Nation. Don’t eat too much, drink too much or think too much. later

DinoScapelli
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Goodness, look at the time! My tummy has been unhappy all day. I guess pasta Niçoise is my best bet. The accompanying bubbly might calm my gurgling gut. Hope it feels good tomorrow. Wouldn’t want to beg out of my get together with a family full of dystrumpians, now, would I? Of course not.

Good night, you dangerous dinner diatribists!!!

[‘Dystrumpian’ might be a registered copyright of Dino Scapelli.]

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I’m having a pastrami sandwich with pretzel rods and a gatorade.

DinoScapelli
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What flavor Gatorade?

EnashWaca
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lemon-lime

DinoScapelli
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Hmmm. I’d have gone with Beaujolais flavor, but yours could work out. 🙂

Dingo
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DINGOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOAAALLLLLL!!! 2-0 Broons!

EnashWaca
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I haven’t seen a hockey game since the 2013 NHL Finals. Which had a tough finish

EnashWaca
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And on the cool check in
Center stage on the mic
And we’re puttin’ it on wax
It’s the new style

DinoScapelli
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I don’t know what the hell that means, but I’ll approve it!

EnashWaca
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Happy Thanksgiving Eve Dino

DinoScapelli
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Backatcha!

EnashWaca
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If you speak to the man (Frank) tell him I have sent an email to get an account but no answer yet. It’s all good, man is probably busy but since you are a man of influence I thought I would go through you

DinoScapelli
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He was here earlier. He will answer your email.

EnashWaca
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I’m not very computer literate. Maybe I messed up, who knows

DinoScapelli
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He’ll send you a password, if I remember correctly. DNOM may be able to help as well.

LaFeteMattDog
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Well, you say I’m twenty-something
And I should be slacking
But I’m working harder than ever
And you could call it macking
So I’m supposed to sit upon my couch just watching my TV
I’m still listening to wax
I’m not using the CD!

Dingo
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Have you come up with a name for the kitty, Dino?

dfwpatsfan
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Catastrophe.

My neighbor has a cat named Oedipuss. Kudos on creativity.

Dingo
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Catpelli.

dfwpatsfan
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Dalai Clawma.

Dingo
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Cat Benatar.

LaFeteMattDog
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Meownardo Catcaprio.

Dingo
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Chairman Miao.

LaFeteMattDog
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Federico Feline-y

Dingo
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Oedipuss.

LaFeteMattDog
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C’mon Dino. One of these has got to work! I’m all out of suggestions.

Dingo
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Hairy Potter.

LaFeteMattDog
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May I suggest Rob Gronkitty?

dfwpatsfan
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Gronk does love him some pussy so it’s a perfect fit.

DinoScapelli
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Oh, dear.

DinoScapelli
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I have been calling him lots of things, as always, but I think his name is Blackfeet.

DinoScapelli
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Jim McBride ✔ @globejimmcbride
League source indicates Tom Brady’s Achilles’ injury is not considered serious. Should be back at practice Thursday — Friday at the latest.

In my universe, there is no such thing as an achilles injury that is not serious. I guess you could get spiked back there and it would hurt without doing much damage, but it would still worry me. Richard Sherman is an example I don’t want to see repeated.

Shoulda kept Jacoby!

Calipatsfan3473
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But they have Hoyer!!

DinoScapelli
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I like Brian, but Jacoby >>> Brian

Calipatsfan3473
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It’ll be fine.

DinoScapelli
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Says the man who tortures turkeys!

BoSoxJim
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Jacoby was never going to succeed in this offense.

DinoScapelli
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I do not concur. He is smart and quick with the ball.

BoSoxJim
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Quick with the ball? His time to throw is 2.90 seconds (27th in the NFL).
He is not suited for a timing offense. His short to intermediate game isn’t very good. Throws a good deep ball.

LaFeteMattDog
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Yeah, but they would tailor the offense to suit his strengths. No one is going to be as quick with the ball as Brady, who has been in this offense for 15 plus years and could execute plays with his eyes closed.

BoSoxJim
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Why would they do that? His strengths aren’t all that good. He can run some and he can chuck it deep.
The Pats would have to change their entire philosophy (similar to Carolina or Seattle)…not just a couple tweaks.

DinoScapelli
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I only know what I have seen from watching him in one game, and he looked decisive and quick. Release times have a lot to do with the other aspect of the offense, and his offense sucks.

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He really grew this pre-season. And now in a new system with the Colts, he’s been really impressive. I’ve seen a lot of his games with the Colts and he could be even better but for a lot of drops from his receivers. I definitely think he could succeed here with a much better offense around him.

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The Colts do not run the same offense (just ask Dwayne Allen who admitted to having trouble learning the Patriot offense). The Pats are based on timing.
He doesn’t handle pressure well, or the blitz.
He never really fit in the Patriots offense.

DinoScapelli
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I disagree, based on what I have seen this season. Pressure doesn’t bother him. You just don’t like him because he is not Asian!

BoSoxJim
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Even if he were Asian, he would still be a bad fit for the Patriots offense. Said that the day he was drafted and it still holds true now.

BoSoxJim
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BB gave him up for a WR that was and currently is barely used.
Hardly something you would do with a QB that could lead your franchise.

dfwpatsfan
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Brady is not going to tackle nor chase around receivers like Sherman would, so not a good comparison. Tape that ankle up, eat some avocados and he will be good to go.

DinoScapelli
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I hope so. Maybe put some avocado under the tape for good measure.

LaFeteMattDog
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I had a co-worker with a minor achilles injury. This summer, he tripped walking down the stairs and tore it. I haven’t seen him since. (Of course, the guy is 50+ and out of shape)

DinoScapelli
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Probably hates avocados, too, the dumb bastard.

BoSoxJim
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This isn’t like Sherman’s. He played on an injured Achilles all season long (according to him….he said it bothered him all season). He knew it would eventually give at some point.

DinoScapelli
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So it gave in ten weeks. Brady is older, and will hit that point just about the Superb Owl.

BoSoxJim
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????????
I didn’t realize that all Achilles issues lead to them tearing.
Also, Sherman is a corner. That position puts serious stress on the Achilles on every play.

Calipatsfan3473
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Well- the turkey is stuffed and is resting comfortably in the fridge. Covered in bacon 🙂

LaFeteMattDog
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It’s nice that you keep him well-fed but don’t you think he’ll get cold in the fridge?

Calipatsfan3473
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Don’t care!!

LaFeteMattDog
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Wow, Cali. I might call the ASPCA on you!

Calipatsfan3473
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Go ahead- that sucker is going in the oven first thing in the morning.

dfwpatsfan
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Its like 105 in SoCal all the time.

Calipatsfan3473
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Actually 95 right now 🙁

dfwpatsfan
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Chiefs don’t pick up Jalen Collins via waiver but sign Revis? Wow.

DinoScapelli
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Collins looks the part, but has been nothing but trouble. Difficult system fit and poor judgement. He’ll catch on somewhere, but not for his rookie salary.

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Yeah, it makes sense for Chiefs if they want Revis to mentor their young secondary.

dfwpatsfan
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I guess the move had to do more with locker room leadership. In that aspect, it makes sense. Collins is coming off a suspension after all.

Calipatsfan3473
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The Chiefs think they’re going to the SB.

dfwpatsfan
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I’m sure. Heck, the Seahawks probably think that they are going to the SB too. It’s good to dream…

DinoScapelli
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Don’t say that! The Fates will arrange a KC vs. Seattle SB LII !

dp73
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Lee 5 tackles and 2 sacks on Sunday.

Goodnight all.

DinoScapelli
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Lee 5 snaps and 2 tackles on Sunday.

BoSoxJim
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They needed Bolden to replicate Suh’s idiotic penalties. Of course he was up to the task.

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BB is always a couple weeks ahead 🙂

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Jim can tell the future

BoSoxJim
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That too 🙂

Dingo
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It’s the Star Trek alternate universe future. But the future none-the-less.

dp73
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Hello Frankie.

MasterAndCommander
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So if Marsh was released, who took his place?

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The kid off the Bills PS.

DinoScapelli
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Eric Lee

dp73
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Does he play Sunday?

DinoScapelli
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They could use him on Special Teams, but likely not more than garbage time snaps on Defense. Marsh had only two snaps in Mexico.

dp73
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Have you ever seen Lee play?

DinoScapelli
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I must have watched the preseason game, but don’t remember him.

dp73
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So how can we say he will be better than Marsh?
I think Bill is taking a gamble hoping Lee can help going forward but one that he is willing to take given what we have seen from Marsh.

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How is he taking a gamble on Lee? He had an open roster spot and he filled it. He’s the 53rd player on the team. No more, no less

dp73
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He is taking a gamble on cutting Marsh and replacing him with Lee. Better?

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Marsh was not working out. he was costing the team yards. Cutting a player that is not working in your system and who has become a liability is not taking a risk. Continuing to play him is

dp73
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So Lee who has never played an NFL game is a lock to be better?

Shaggy
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I’m not sure how you’re getting that from what I am posting. You are over thinking this move. It hardly moves the needle in any direction.

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How are we supposed to know that?

dp73
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Let me rephrase that.
Do you think Lee will play on Sunday?

Shaggy
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I have absolutely no clue. He was signed off a practice squad. I have no idea who he is, or how he fits in their system. I also have no idea what his health is right now or anything else that would factor into that decision. He’s a late season bottom of the roster addition. IMO, He means next to nothing right now until he proves otherwise

MasterAndCommander
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Interesting Marsh was cut. Given the picks to get him.

DinoScapelli
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It’s not odd that he was waived, it was odd that they traded for him in the first place.

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It’s odd that Revis now looks like Abe Vigoda.

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“Tell the Jets that it was just business. I always liked them.”

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Is Revis even in playing shape?

dp73
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That is a good question. I can’t see him as looking for a job and not being in shape after last season.

MasterAndCommander
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Seems like a desparate move.

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They’ve been trying to sign him most of the season. This isn’t something they just decided to do.
At worst, he’s an upgrade over Gaines. Maybe they use him at safety.

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Here’s proof:

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LOL

BoSoxJim
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He played well in the 2nd half of last season (when he was in shape)

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David Eulitt

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Terez: “how close are you to your prime weight?”
Revis: “I’m 208 now.”
Terez: “What were you last year?”
Revis: “Oh, I was way over. (laughter)

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Rest Brady Sunday?

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Not until the Pats are two games ahead of Pittsburgh!

MasterAndCommander
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Agreed.

dp73
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But, but it’s only Miami. 🙂

dp73
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I was joking. I don’t believe in resting players unless home field advantage is locked up.

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The 49ers face some mighty tough defenses down the stretch: Seattle, (DaBears), Houston, Tennessee, Jacksonville, and LA Rams. If they are trying to protect Jimmy until they can sign him, it looks like he may never play at all this year.

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Houston? All they have left is Clowney. Jax and LA are the two to worry about (after Seattle).

DinoScapelli
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I can’t picture Revis making a difference for KC. I think he has retired in his mind. And of course, that is based on absolutely nothing.

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I guess it all depends upon what one means by Most Valuable Player.
If it’s Best Player, Brady should win, but if it’s Player who made the biggest difference in his team’s success, Wentz is in the hunt, along with Alvin Kamara and Case Keenum, among others.
In my opinion, before he went down, Deshaun Watson was the MVP.

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I think you are grossly underestimating Brady’s importance to the Patriots.
Marshon Lattimore is ahead of Kamara IMO as far as important Saints are concerned (both behind Brees).
Keenum is having a career year, but the Vikings defense is driving their success. Check out Bradford’s performance in week 1 for the Vikings.

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No sir, I am not underestimating Brady’s importance. He is the best QB in the league, and that’s the most important position on the field. I only included Wentz et al under the condition that they have had a more obvious impact on their teams’ newfound success than Brady, who we all expect to lead the Pats to the AFC Championship Game at least. The Pats are great every year, so it doesn’t catch anyone’s attention when they are again this year. They wouldn’t be 2-8 without Tom, as they showed the one year they didn’t have him. But Tom… Read more »
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The MVP hasn’t been about which player has led to newfound success of a team.
Wentz has had as many games under 200 yards passing as over 300 yards passing (3). I also believe he leads the NFL in most drives started in the opponent’s red zone.

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His passer rating drops sharply when he’s under pressure or facing a blitz.

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His adjusted completion % (taking into account drops and throwaways) is 24th in the NFL.

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Well I wouldn’t vote for him! When Watson went down, Brady was pretty much alone at the top.

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All that matters is the SB trophy

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7m7 minutes ago

Darrelle Revis’ 2016 splits:

Weeks 1-8
1.56 yards allowed per coverage snap

Weeks 9-17
0.88 yards allowed per coverage snap

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average is about 1

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Source: the 49ers have claimed former Patriots DE Cassius Marsh off of waivers.

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Revis and Ty Law are from Aliquippa and have played for the Pats, Jets and Chiefs.

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Michigan >>>> Pitt

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Adam Schefter✔
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Chiefs have been trying to sign Darrelle Revis for much of this season, per source. He wouldn’t take the deal – until now.

“BB, why won’t you call me?” – Revis

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@MikeGarafolo Chiefs signed Darrell Revis. Hello.
Shout out to Make Garafolo who shaved the e to get that scoop

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Rank amongst the league’s qualified passers in parentheses:
Rating
Brady (1), Brees (3), Wentz (4)
Completion percentage
Brees (1), Brady (4), Wentz (30)
Yards
Brady (1), Brees (4), Wentz (11)
Touchdowns
Wentz (1), Brady (2), Brees (13)
Interceptions
Brady (1), Brees (8), Wentz (10)
Yards per attempt
Brady (1), Brees (4), Wentz (9)
Adjusted net yards per attempt
Brady (1), Brees (2), Wentz (5)

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I think you have to give credit to Wentz to their redzone efficiency, the highest in the NFL

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Wentz is playing great. I think him and Watson are the 2 best young QBs. Neither are on Brady’s level.

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I never said he’s having a bad season. He’s having an awesome season, and the Eagles should be excited that they don’t have to search for a QB anymore. But forget about Tom Brady – what is the argument for him over Brees?

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They are just awarding the most important player of the team with the better record, that i agree

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I would say the one argument is the Brees has more weapons and Wentz is doing as much if not more with less.

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The MVP award needs to be renamed “MVP not named Tom Brady”. He’s held to such a higher standard than everyone else. If Brady was putting up the numbers Wentz is the media would say he’s declining.

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TB12 is winning it as long as he continues to play like he has been the last couple weeks.

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Tom Brady missed Wednesday’s practice for what the team listed as an Achilles injury. A league source said the injury is minor and there is no reason for concern.
Rob Gronkowski and David Andrews were out with illnesses. Patrick Chung (ankle), Marcus Cannon (ankle) and Chris Hogan (shoulder) also sat out the session.

Players who were limited:
Danny Amendola (knee)
Martellus Bennett (shoulder/hamstring)
Malcolm Brown (ankle)
Eric Rowe (groin)
Matthew Slater (hamstring)

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Doug Moore

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I’m hearing that despite missing practice today – both Brady & Gronk are expected to play this weekend vs. the #Dolphins.

It sounds like both are dealing with minor injuries/ailments. #Patriots

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Hey, I made the Twitter feed —–>

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I’m sure this time Castro was involved 🙂

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Michael Giardi‏Verified account @MikeGiardi
30m30 minutes ago
Book me the next flight to SF. I gotta hve a man to Lynch/Shanahan convo and straighten this bleep out

BoSoxJim‏ @BoSoxJim1
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What do you mean you’re not starting Jimmy G?! – Mike Giardi
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Carson Wentz winning the MVP award would be a travesty. 4th in QB rating, 11th in yards, 30th in completion percentage, 1st in touchdowns, 10th in Interceptions, 9th in YPA, 5th in ANYA. I don’t have a list of league MVPs in front of me but unless he takes it up a notch it would be one of the worst MVP selections in NFL history.

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not to mention his performance under pressure and vs. the blitz.

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That’s a valid consideration but I wouldn’t hold it against the voters if they don’t go that deep. They usually don’t and consistency is important.
What makes Wentz an absurd candidate for MVP is he is neither worthy, nor can you construct an argument using the traditional resume points that he’s worthy.

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Hmmmmm….what were Gronk and Andrews doing with each other?????

NTTAWWT

Deadsmack #NotDone
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1 GB for € 33,74 (with a fidelization contract of 24 months) is the best price here.

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What does Castro have to do with this?

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I hope nothing 🙂

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Brady has an Achilles injury? ——>

Although Rappaport has it as very minor and nobody is worried about it.

Deadsmack #NotDone
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It might be a sore achilles

BoSoxJim
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You shut your filthy mouth!

BoSoxJim
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Maybe a door hit him in the back of the foot. I don’t know when he injured it.

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Pretty sure he kept playing after that.

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I was wrong, our main internet operator is offering 100 mbps for almost 30 dollars (28 euros)

Deadsmack #NotDone
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nah. The only thing high are the income taxes, specially for people that earn more than 40.000 euros / year

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I’m pretty sure that if Brady knew beforehand that this was going to happen, he would have been very receptive.
However, some random dude approaches you on the field, I can see how that could happen.

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Michael Giardi✔
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Book me the next flight to SF. I gotta have a man to Lynch/Shanahan convo and straighten this bleep out

🙂

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Mike Garafolo✔
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C.J. Beathard played well in the Niners’ last game. Gets to continue. Sends a solid message to the locker room that you get rewarded for good play. Gotta figure an entry point for Jimmy G is coming.

They don’t want to have Jimmy G’s first start with the 49ers to be against a desperate Seahawk team.

Calipatsfan3473
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Seattle should beat SF- easily.

Calipatsfan3473
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I wonder if that will happen.

BoSoxJim
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Makes sense. They let Freeney go and they did like his potential.

Calipatsfan3473
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Last stop for Freeney?

BoSoxJim
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Someone may pick him up for a playoff run. He can still get after the passer.

Calipatsfan3473
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No Jimmy G Sunday———————>