The New England Patriots Offensive System: Erhardt-Perkins-Brady

— by DFWPatsFan

(I was supposed to have been completed this article during the bye week. However, the author is pulling a George R. R. Martin, taking his own sweet time to complete it. My apologies.)

This article was inspired primarily from many fans who posit these questions: “Why did the Patriots not draft [Player X], instead of this guy?!” or “How come [Organization A] draft and develop so many good receivers compared to the Patriots?”, with a slight variation “Why does Bill Belichick’s draft record suck when it comes to WRs?” and so on. Usually, as any theory is, it seems confusing on the surface: for an organization as successful as the Patriots are, why the struggle for WRs to “get” on with this system? But as with everything, things get clearer when you deep-dive into the fundamental thinking/strategy behind a system. This author tries to do that, from an amateur’s point of view of the game.

Most Pats fans don’t need an introduction to the Erhardt-Perkins offense; Grantland published a wonderful article back in 2013 on this topic. This article’s journey starts under OC Charlie Weis, who learned the system under the Giants and brought it to the Patriots. The stars aligned purely by happenstance when Mo Lewis took out Drew Bledsoe in 2001 and got him admitted to a hospital for internal bleeding. According to Weis, Tom Brady wasn’t exactly waiting in the wings to take over. That was Damon Huard. But this is not exactly a story about the GOAT’s ascension. This article is about a perfect union between a QB and an offense, which could be considered unstoppable with the right QB.

The heart of the system is the immense responsibility on the QB: the use of the “ALERT” system, in which most if not all the play calls are two-in-one. There’s the original call, plus an alternate that gets put into motion if the D aligns a certain way which gets activated when Brady yells “Alert!” There are also safety-valve plays incorporated, typically quick dump-offs when Brady sees a CB play well off a receiver. But what truly separates the Patriots’ system is the extensive combination of receiver route adjustments, based on the defense or a defender’s positioning, that all pass catchers – including running backs – have to know. Most offenses include at least a sprinkling of option routes designed, essentially, to use a defense against itself. But New England’s offense is built on them.

Essentially, the option route system boils down to this: the receiver makes a post-snap read based on the defense, giving him the flexibility to take what the opponent gives. In a way, this complexity can prove maddening to say the least, to rookies and veterans alike. Since taking Deion Branch (round 2) and David Givens (round 7) in 2002, the Patriots’ track record at drafting receivers has been abysmal. Since then they’ve selected eight wideouts in the fifth round or higher, 11 overall. And from Bethel Johnson (round 2, ’03) to Aaron Dobson (round 2, ’13), almost all failed. The only success stories are a seventh-rounder in ’09 named Julian Edelman and ’16 fourth-rounder Malcolm Mitchell. Similarly, when it came to veterans imported from other teams, the record is similar: David Terrell, ’05; Joey Galloway, ’09; Chad Ochocinco, ’11; Reggie Wayne, ’15. So why did a seventh-round pick who played QB in college have this much success with the Patriots system? Intangibles aside, it is because he could think like a QB.

So, what kind of receiver does work in this offense? What does it take? In short, smarts—and practice. (When the new CBA reduced the number of practices overall, Belichick was one of the dissenters. Recently, he was on record commenting on how the limited practices are affecting offensive line play across the league.) Former Patriots OC Bill O’Brien commented on Brady’s extra work he put in with Branch and Rob Gronkowski late into the evenings. Brady has admitted he’s not the easiest QB to play with. “If you haven’t weeded out the guys that you don’t count on anymore, those guys, they’re not playing,” Brady told reporters after the AFC Divisional Round game against the Kansas City Chiefs. “The guys that you count on, those are the guys that you’re kind of in a foxhole with…. You’ve got to know who to count on.” What, exactly, is so complicated? Why is New England the place that rookies and once productive receivers—with rare exception—go to see their careers extinguished?

When Weis left for Notre Dame, he had in his playbook 50 individual routes, 29 two-man routes, 11 three-man combinations and four miscellaneous routes. Later, Josh McDaniels took over as offensive coordinator and put his spin on the playbook, as did O’Brien after McDaniels left to coach the Broncos in ’09. (McDaniels returned to run New England’s offense in ’12.) When O’Brien arrived in Houston last year, his first Texans playbook included 109 individual routes, 110 two-man combinations, 67 three-man concepts and 44 miscellaneous routes. Here’s a rundown of the different types of route modifications New England runs:

ROUTE CONVERSION: If a play is designed for, say, a comeback route (or a hitch) and the defender is playing in press man instead of the anticipated zone coverage, a receiver might convert his route to a fade down the sideline.

SIGHT ADJUSTMENT: If a receiver recognizes that his defender—usually a safety—is coming on a blitz, he’ll adjust his route. (Simply put: Conversions are based on coverage type, adjustments react to blitzing DBs.) A vertical route, for example, might adjust to a slant, getting the receiver open more quickly in the void the safety just created. This is different from a hot route, which most teams use to thwart front-seven blitzes and which are usually executed by tight ends or backs.

CHOICE ROUTE: Referred to by some teams as a “two-way go,” this usually occurs with a tight end or an outside receiver. In essence, if the defender plays you inside, you break outside. If there are two split safeties in the middle of the field (termed “middle of field open”), a receiver may split them; against one safety (“middle closed”), the receiver would stay in the seam.

OPTION ROUTE: This almost always involves the slot receiver playing off the defense. Against a zone, for example, he’ll sit down for a short pass. Against man coverage, he could break right, left or go deep depending on the positioning and the skills of the man in coverage.

To understand these concepts in execution, let’s look at an example of a three-receiver set: one to the left and two to the right; the quarterback under center, with a single back behind him; and the tight end on the left side of the line. The left-aligned receiver runs a six-yard hitch, but that route converts to a fade if he sees press coverage or if the safeties roll coverage down to his side. The tight end blocks but then releases into the left flat if the play breaks down and extends. The running back picks up the middle linebacker if he blitzes; if he doesn’t, the back runs a middle check-down and then can release in the opposite direction of the tight end. On the right, the slot receiver runs a six-yard option route that can be a comeback, curl, dig or out, depending on the coverage. The outside receiver to the right runs a 14-yard comeback that converts to a post-corner if the safeties roll coverage.

This is just one of the 3 WR sets. Imagine yourself being a wideout, and McDaniels or Chad O’Shea tells you that this week you’re playing Z instead of X the previous 2 weeks. Just look at the pre-Super Bowl LI analysis of different plays McDaniels employs with his offense. This is hard on most receivers, who are required to learn and adapt on the fly every week. If you’re Reggie Wayne or Chad OchoJohnson, this could be a lot because you’ve played for 5 years or more in a system where your route is predetermined. The magic of the system boils down to receivers interpreting a defense the exact same way—and as quickly—as the quarterback, putting themselves exactly where the QB expects. Good luck with that, especially with Brady at the helm.

Weis’ favorite account of Brady was this, captured in the SI article back in 2016:

In Brady’s third game as a starter, at home against the Chargers in 2001, New England game-planned for an audible against a blitz that San Diego liked to use: two rushers coming from the weak side. The Patriots thought they had a great answer, but the Chargers still hadn’t called the blitz as the game went into overtime. Then, on New England’s first play of the extra period, San Diego dialed up the blitz. “Oh, s—, here it is,” Weis remembers saying to himself on the sideline. “There isn’t a chance in hell the kid is going to see this.”

But Brady spotted it: He checked off and threw deep to David Patten, drawing a 37-yard pass-interference penalty that put the Pats on the Chargers’ 40-yard line and set up the winning field goal. In the locker room after the game, coaches marveled at Brady’s quick thinking. Weis passed on his feelings about the young QB to his wife later that night. “He said, ‘I think this kid is going to be one of the greatest ever,’ ” recalls Maura Weis. “I asked ‘Like Joe Montana?’ ” referring to her husband’s former Notre Dame classmate.

“Maybe better.”

When Brady is surrounded by talented players who know the system and can execute it, like Gronkowski, Edelman, Danny Amendola and running backs Dion Lewis & James White, this offense can make sweet, unstoppable music. And when Brady doesn’t have that luxury? Whoever those players are, they won’t be staying around for long. Brady, playing for one team, might soon surpass a record of throwing to 70 different players for TDs. The person who holds this (un)remarkable record? Vinny Testaverde, who in his 21-year career played for 7 different teams. Fans complain when Brady sometimes does not throw to a receiver who is wide-open. You’d get pissed and say, ‘Philip Dorsett was wide open in this play, why didn’t you throw to him?’ He’d answer, ‘I didn’t trust him.’ Which is not really a bad answer. It’s not the right answer, but it’s not a bad answer.

PS: I left out Aaron Hernandez for obvious reasons, even though he had a tremendous rapport with Brady. I left out Josh Boyce just to tweak Jim, and while it looks like Brady does not trust Dorsett in the last paragraph, the point is that he would need more time to build on that trust.

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DNOMN8R314
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NEW POST
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the kiss of death for Tyrod Taylor was when Dino said he was good. just like Kap and Fitzpatrick.

Sorry DinoReport

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oh damn BoneyReport

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Now Bennett has a hamstring injury to go along with the shoulder.Report

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all it means is he’ll have to tape two aspirins to two different spotsReport

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Man, this offense is clearly a doozy to digest. I’m even more amazed now at how Moss came in and broke the record for TDs in his first year.Report

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“Moss, go deep!”Report

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Smart player.Report

Dingo
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Easy- he was a system receiver.Report

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Welp. Tried posting an article, actually a BSJ TUMS-O-METER addendum to DNOM’s next Y Factor column, but I kept getting error messages when submitting and then the complete post was erased from the form. Oh well.Report

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You should talk to the boss about that.Report

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i’ll try again later. But I forgot what I wrote down.Report

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Blame age for that one.Report

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Grandbaby and weddings.Report

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I blame Boney.Report

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Seems reasonable.Report

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“Earlier Wednesday, McDermott said the move was “about winning now,” while acknowledging “Tyrod is part of the reason we are where we are at five wins and in the playoff hunt.”

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000877700/article/tyrod-taylor-shocked-buffalo-bills-benched-himReport

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http://ftw.usatoday.com/2017/11/who-is-new-buffalo-bills-starting-quarterback-nathan-peterman

“I’ve been impressed with the maturity from Nathan Peterman. I’m comfortable making a calculated risk to try and get us where we need to go.””-McDermott

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I think the Bills are making a big mistake sitting Tyrod Taylor down when they are still in position to get into the playoffs.Report

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http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/6509/tyrod-taylor
“Sean McDermott is now rolling with his handpicked guy.”

I agree with you but McDermott was been handling the Bills personnel his way regardless if they were big named players or not.Report

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I don’t get the move.Report

BoSoxJim
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Nobody holds the ball longer than Taylor. He’s been sacked 29 times . He’s 24th in passing yards with only 10 TD passes. Sure he doesn’t turn the ball over, but he doesn’t push the ball downfield. Not very good from the pocket.
Peterman gets the ball out much quicker. As for the rest, the coach obviously sees something in him.Report

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correction: 25th in passing yardsReport

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tyrod taylor’s offensive output (rushing + receiving):

213 yds/g 1.3 TDs/gReport

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Maybe- but it seems that they’re taking a big risk risk exposing Peterman to Bosa for his first game.Report

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As opposed to a QB that holds the ball for 3.11 seconds on average?Report

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They won 5 games with him.Report

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Did they win because of him?
Look, the timing is curious, but I seriously doubt the coach would put his job in jeopardy like this unless he was certain this was the right move.
Will he be right…we’ll see.Report

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I guess it is what it is.Report

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Their defense had been causing a lot of TOs and that was a major factor in their wins.Report

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No playoffs for you!Report

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Big news: #Cowboys RB Ezekiel Elliott is withdrawing his appeal, his agents Rocky Arceneaux and Frank Salzano tell me. Elliott will serve his full 6-game suspension.Report

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They are so screwed!Report

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I thought the same thing but then they did the same thing last time and it worked. so you never know….

Although last time they faced Texans … so big difference …Report

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Hi Frankie.Report

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They barely pulled that one out…..against Osweiller

And hi!Report

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Hopefully.Report

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good to hear Brown is back. Sounds like Hogan and Cannon are going to be given plenty of time to be cautious for the home stretch. It’d be nice to see Brady connect with Dorsett on a few more big plays in the meantime.Report

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I am thinking Cannon will be back in the short term .. week or two but Hogan might be out longer .. and may not be fully back until the playoffsReport

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Who is the shortie with memokerobi? 🙂Report

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Couldn’t you call him squirrel? I had to google Ardilla, in portuguese we call it “ESQUILO”Report

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Did you watch the special with Edelman and Amendola last night?
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Amendola’s was El Zorro (The Fox)Report

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I didn’t. I know they had show with both but i couldn’t watch itReport

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That’s cool memo!!Report

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How were you able to get a pick of him?Report

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Pick? Because I’m a good CB. Pic? He held an event at his pop up shop and coincidentally I was visiting Boston at that timeReport

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The top graded games by guards this season
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Cannon and Hogan did not make the trip to CO.————————>Report

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They’ll be fine.Report

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Time will tell.Report

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But if you’re lost you can look–and you will find me
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I will catch you – I will be waiting
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https://www.profootballfocus.com/news/pro-ranking-every-nfl-offense-by-red-zone-efficiency

T-22. New England Patriots – 17.6 percent

Red zone passing scores: 14

Red zone rushing scores: 7

Given their offense it’s no surprise to learn that no team has run as many plays in the red zone as the New England Patriots, but it’s perhaps more surprising to see how relatively inefficient they have been at converting those into touchdowns. 14 passing scores is second in the league, while seven rushing touchdowns is tied for seventh, but this team has run 17 more plays from the red zone than any other side in the NFL.Report

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They did well vs Denver, right?Report

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I believe they were 4-6 (67%) in DenverReport

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Oh wait a minute, I have to figure out how many plays they ran in the red zone. The 4-6 is how many red zone trips that ended in TDs.Report

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We’re on to Mexico.Report

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This is relevant to Mexico, silly.Report

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Ron Mexico?Report

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GOAT aliasReport

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No time to look back- just forward.Report

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Those who ignore history are bound to repeat it?Report

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Good News !! Malcom Brown was at practice today according to Scott Zolak.Report

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Wonder how long Hogan will be out- or if he’s done for the season.Report

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seriously doubt he’s gone for the season. probably will be back in a couple weeks.Report

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Jim has his bookmarks in 7 different groups:
1) Josh Boyce
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3) Paul Lekakis
4) Guys in Bras
5) Camping with Wyo
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Group 2 is Dogs & CatsReport

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Here’s something from Group 5
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You forgot TJ Moe.Report

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File that under VHP. The #BoSoxJinx got to TJ MoeReport

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Is that what happen to Freeland?Report

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Group 4 is actually named Jdog
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Seriously though…what on earth do you type in to search for that. I bet your wife would cringe if she saw your broswer history lolReport

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asian dude in bra 🙂Report

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Zolak and Bedard were talking about Ricky Jean Francois and how to pronounce his name. They used the clip from the dunkin donuts segment that somebody on here (Boney or Dino?) linked a couple days ago. Is it possible somebody on their staff is stealing segment ideas/discussion points from us??Report

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Nah. Only so many things to talk about. I don’t think this site gets traffic. No one links to it externally.Report

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No, but the espn site did. Maybe one of the bruhs has a job in broadcasting and we don’t know about it. Maybe Smack is in fact, Zolak.Report

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Don’t think so….

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Scott Zolak‏Verified account @scottzolak
@Tsleboda33 I’d make my kid take gymnastics before he’d play soccer
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However, it appears that he hates the pro bowl more….

Scott Zolak‏Verified account @scottzolak
I’d rather go to a World Cup soccer game than watch the pro bowl
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Who doesn’t?Report

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Yeah but the ESPN group is small.
If one wanted to get more eyeballs on this site, one would have to link people to it from Reddit and SB Nation. I don’t think any of our writers care enough to do that. And DNOM cross-posts his writing to SB Nation sometimes.Report

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Holy crap! My Firefox updated and removed all of my tabs (about 300). I almost pooped my pants.
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Chrome or GTFO 🙂Report

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Mine did yesterday- everything was fine 🙂Report

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Then you don’t use Tab Groups or Session ManagerReport

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No need 🙂Report

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I had it set to automatically upgrade. v57 removed support for Tab Groups and Session Manager. Needless to say, i don’t have it set to automatically upgrade anymore.Report

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how do you have 300 tabs? Is your monitor 6 feet wide?Report

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That’s what Tab Groups was for. It kept them organized. I have 7 different groups.
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Malcom Brown back today 🙂Report

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Brady was sharp throughout the game, exploiting matchups and executing the New England offense at a high level. He was only pressured on eight of his 35 dropbacks, but he finished 6-for-7 for 89 yards and a score, good for a perfect 158.3 passer rating. The Patriots have had some uncharacteristic red zone struggles this season, but Brady’s short-area accuracy was on display on all three red zone touchdown passes, particularly his 11-yarder to Dwayne Allen that was perfectly placed up and away from coverage. For the game, Brady finished 12-for-14 for 159 yards and a touchdown on passes thrown… Read more »
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The special events group at the Air Force Academy had contacted the Patriots after seeing that the team had back-to-back road games in high altitude against the Broncos and Raiders (in Mexico), and inquired if they were interested in using their facilities. It wasn’t until a few weeks later that the Patriots responded and decided to investigate the possibility further. They later committed.

I thought it was the other way around. Interesting tidbit.Report

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Even the AFA hates the Broncos.Report

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They wanted to piss off the Naval Academy.Report

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Tom Brady is so smart that he can hear sign languageReport

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Has Brady finally made it to Level Chuck Norris in the Game of Life?Report

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Jim is really Smacky.Report

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Cali is really GGZGReport

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I made 2 Red Sox posts and no political posts. So I refute your claim.Report

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Yeah, but that was my work. And it featured zoo, DNOM, Stokes and Greenie.Report

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Smack would post Shaun King’s response to Tyrod Taylor’s benching. 🙂Report

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No GOOOOOOAAAAAAAAALLLLLLLL posts yet, waiting for them.Report

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You never go full deadsmackReport

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FWIW:

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My source tells me that while Giancarlo Stanton’s preference is the LA Dodgers. His advisers are pushing for the #RedSox. Saying it would be huge for marketing/off field opportunities and it would be big for baseball. Stanton vs Judge in the AL East 19 times a season.Report

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sox definitely need a power bat, but didn’t think we had enough prospects to make a dealReport

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If the Sox take most of his contract they shouldn’t have to deal their better prospects. Idk if he’s worth it. Amazing power hitter but offers little else.Report

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Sox certainly have enough to get him. But I don’t want him if it means giving up a combination of Benny, Devers and Betts. Plus they have to take on the rest of that contract.Report

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Ahh.. the pats are staying at the Air Force academy, not right in denver.. that makes more sense, since it is ~7200 ft asl. That will be a bit closer to azteca’s elevation.Report

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Tom Brady vs. Carson Wentz 2017 @PFF passing grades
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Are spider graphs too much for you? 🙂

Basically it shows that TB12 is better than Wentz in just about every category…sometimes significantly. The 2 areas he is behind, he isn’t behind by much.Report

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Boston Strong‏ @BostonStrong_34
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The Red Sox are expected to pay Shohei Otani’s Club the $20 Million negotiation fee, if no deal reached the Red Sox will get the money back.

Babe Ruth 2.0!!!! 😉Report

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There are 20 or so teams bidding on him, and the Sox have the least amount of pool $ to throw at him as a bonus. Their only advantage is how many Japanese players they’ve had in the past, and how Dice-K still lives hereReport

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That’s a pretty good advantage though.Report

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Also……

Another plus the Red Sox have going for them is the relationship they built with the player, dating back to when the Sox’ front office met with Otani as a high-schooler. Boston has regularly scouted the two-way threat, with scout Shun Kakazu following his participation in the NPB this season.
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We’ll see. Seems to me that the Yankees (can offer a ton of money, DH, short porch, they’re the Yankees) and the Dodgers (almost signed him out of HS, Pacific contender) would be the favorites from each league.Report

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Our big international signing was the poor kid who passed away from cancer – Flores. They gave him $3.1M.Report

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there was some talk of getting a waiver from mlb to use it again on OtaniReport

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Interesting. I strongly doubt anyone in baseball feels sorry for the Red Sox.Report

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agreeReport

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Do we want the Sox to sign him? Or will this be Dice-K 2.0?Report

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It’s pretty much a no-brainer. He’s not a real free agent, so the Sox would be getting the full 7 years of control at 23. The fee to talk to the club doesn’t count against the lux tax, and the actual amount of money we can offer him is capped. The biggest bonus anyone in the majors can actually offer him is $3.5M.
Basically every team in baseball that isn’t impoverished (aka not the Rays and Athletics) is going to be in line. It’s up to him to choose.Report

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Don’t think it would be Dice-K 2.0 as Dice-K was supposed to dominate the league with his gyro ball (gimmick).
This guy can hit as well as pitch (no gimmicks). However, I’m not sure if he can pull off doing both like he does in Japan.Report

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The two way thing will sort itself out. But given the low cost…. all he really has to do is be merely useful at one of the two. Anything more is surplus, and at least as a pitcher it seems quite possible to get a lot more.Report

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Also, it won’t cost nearly as much to sign him as they have changed the rules over the years since Dice-K.Report

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Are you saying there will be a Curse of the Otani?Report

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Big Cat: But I heard a story that, I don’t remember if it was at the Kentucky Derby or maybe a private plane, something where all the guys were hanging out and Wes Welker was giving you (expletive), saying “I was you before you were you,” and busting your balls and you said “the only difference is I made the catch in the Super Bowl and you didn’t” … true or false? Edelman: That is, that is one of those things everyone has banter, we all have banters … Wes is like an older brother, bro. Everyone talks — when… Read more »
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Andy Hart‏ @JumboHart
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My understanding is that @James_Develin will be added to the Pro Bowl ballot among fullbacks shortly. No harm…I can still vote a million times over the next month! #Patriots @PatriotsReport

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Develin needs to catch a TD pass from BradyReport

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Great article DFW. I was actually reading up a list of base offenses every team runs last night; out of all of them, the E-P is definitely the most interestingReport

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Thanks PPB. E-P is primarily terminology. Other teams have attempted it. Heck, Manning used it under the Broncos (Kubiak). What the Patriots have done is take it a step further. That’s unique in the NFL. BOB is trying this in Houston, but he lacks a QB even close to Brady’s calibre. Maybe Watson is the guy who knows.Report

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Great articleReport

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Tyrod Taylor benched for PetermanReport

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Surprising. The Bills offense hasn’t been good the last two weeks, but no worse than the defense.Report

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I think it’s more that they have decided to move on from Taylor, who was a holdover from the previous regime. They’ll cut him this offseason and save a ton of money.Report

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Peterman is the better QB. I wanted the Pats to take him. Damn you, Jimmy G! 🙂Report

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Yeah, I figure too. Its just bad juju when you’re a team that’s been reliant on effort, to start auditioning your backup for 2018. Stick a fork in ’em.Report

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Trash talking my friend with a new picture every week now
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Your fantasy team name is “I love D”?Report

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league is all IDP and I’m a middle schoolerReport

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NTTAWWTReport

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While we’re on the FF subject…. should I bench Khalil Mack for Cam Jordan this week?
Mack had a better projection but hasn’t had a good season sack-wise and the Pats getting ahead early would kill his chances.Report

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Yeah. Pats should be able to scheme things up to keep Mack from causing too much trouble.Report

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Career Records in 4QC-GWD Opportunities (2017-18 through week 08)
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Yeah Rodgers is in the same league as Brady when it comes to comebacks. Lol.Report

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I’m all about the turnover chain.Report

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Mike & Mike‏Verified account @MikeAndMike


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Just horrible, no more bets @JfeaglesReport

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HAHAHA!Report

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Explain the turnover chain. 🙂Report

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If you have time Saturday watch the University of Miami vs Virginia. When Miami creates a turnover, they have this huge Cuban Lynx Chain with the U symbol on it and that player gets to wear it on the sidelines, it’s hilarious.Report

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I think if Ezekiel Elliott’s suspension was for 1 or 2 games Jones wouldn’t be doing what he is doing now.Report

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Has anyone done a snap count on Reilly and M. Flowers from the DEN game? I noticed Flowers as a cover LB in the 2nd half… wonder what the trajectory of that is? I may never get used to how incredible our coaches are. After HT is lost, and how “useless” Harris seemed, now KVN, Harris and Roberts are suddenly looking like a legit LB corp… with complete unknowns like Reilly and Flowers starting to show up in spot duty.Report

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FWIW: PFF LB rankings (out of 83):

Roberts 49/83 (Grade 60.2 – Below Average)
KVN 68/83 (Grade 40.6 – Poor)

Harris doesn’t have enough snaps to qualify but if he did….

Rank would be 37th (Grade 72.6 – Average)Report

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Very limited data for Marquis Flowers but here it is…..

Grade 61.2 – Below Average (51 total snaps)

Run Grade 44.5 – Poor (15 snaps)
Pass Grade 75.5 – Average (30 snaps)
Pass Rush Grade 52.9 – Poor (6 snaps)Report

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Actually Flowers has more snaps than I thought he did. Harris has 77.Report

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This is from a Mike Reiss ESPN post.
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Kyle Van Noy: 62

Elandon Roberts: 38

David Harris: 30

Marquis Flowers: 19

Trevor Reilly: 8

As NBC analyst Cris Collinsworth said during the broadcast, Van Noy has become a key part of the defense with his flexibility to play on and off the line of scrimmage, which is what the team needs with Dont’a Hightower out for the season with a torn pectoral muscle. Roberts and Harris also showed up with some notable hits, with Flowers coming on in obvious passing situations.Report

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David Harris has been money.Report

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Have the Patriots defense improved or are we still saying they “suck’ because they haven’t beaten a good offensive team lately?

In their 5 game winning streak they have given up 67 point for a 13.4 PPG average.Report

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I wonder about the ability to stop the run. No Malcom Brown for the moment or HT for the long run. Not sure if VV is coming back, and the other big boys in the middle have been inconsistent. I feel that their opponents have abandoned the run early, sometimes out of fear and sometimes due to a big deficit.Report

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Did Malcolm Brown travel with the Pats? If so, that could mean he’s back for Oakland.Report

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Weird but interesting stat, they have only forced 4 fumbles, but recovered all 4. Efficient!Report

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And when Brady doesn’t have that luxury? He finds himself throwing to a wide open Reche Caldwell on the sideline in the AFCCG.Report

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God that was a sight worth forgetting. That incident alone must have made Brady resolute in believing that trust is Paramount.Report

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Good night all.Report

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Great article by DFW, but he missed a few other veteran Patriot WRs who have thrived in the NE system. And a few are still on the roster: Hogan and Amendola. Along with Welker and Patten. And in short stays with the team, Stallworth did OK too.Report

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Thanks Neil! I focused more on the vets who failed, while they were successful elsewhere. I did not mention Welker and Moss for the reason they we’re successful. I should add Hogan to the list of successes, however.Report

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hey, that hard-hat has a dual purpose: he uses it as a guide to cut his own hair, tooReport

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That Kyrie steal -> Jaylen oop -> Tatum slam at the end of the game represents all the Nets picks. Just showing it off in front of BRKReport

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Was watching the game online via Brooklyn feed. Kyrie was a big Nets fan from the Jason Kidd days. They were joking that he was a huge Ian Eagle fan and was gushing to him asking him about those teams. Anyway, thanks for the picks, Brooklyn!Report

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Kyrie is from Newark too, hence the Net love.Report

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