Pats-Chiefs All-22 Dive-In

-by memokerobi

I’d like to do a new series this year where I look at All-22 film from the Pats’ previous matchup and analyze 5-6 plays from the game in a two-part series to highlight themes that occurred during the game. Instead of highlight plays that most of you will have seen tens of times by the time I post the piece, I want to look at more under-the-radar plays that we wouldn’t focus on during the game. I won’t have the time to do it every week but if you guys like the content I’m going to try to do as many as possible. It’s also important to say that I am not a football expert and I am going to try and interpret what I see on film and there’s a good chance not everything I say will be 100% accurate.

Let’s start with 6 plays from the forgettable Chiefs game that I hope will inspire a 2014-like run. Since 42 points is the most allowed by a Pats team in the Bill Belichick era, I wanted to focus on Pats D vs the Chiefs O. The first part will be about how the Chiefs succeeded on inside runs on first downs that later set up the outside run game for big gains, and the second part will be about how they got the ball in Tyreek Hill’s hands who was surely the main point of the Pats defensive gameplan along with Travis Kelce.

Inside Runs

1st quarter, 1st & 10 at KC 25, 12:08 remaining:

Run middle

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The first play we’ll look at is the first offensive play for the Chiefs which resulted in a Kareem Hunt fumble. The Patriots are lined up with Alan Branch and Malcom Brown playing as 3-techniques, Dont’a Hightower and Trey Flowers on the edges and Kyle Van Noy and Jordan Richards as their linebackers against the Chiefs 13 personnel. Chiefs center Mitch Morse is uncovered in this play (no defender lined up over him) and the Chiefs take advantage of this, running up the middle through the A gap. On the back side of the play, LT Eric Fisher slides to block Malcom Brown with LG Bryan Witzmann moving to the second level to take Van Noy. Morse and RG Laurent Duvernay-Tardif double-team Branch on the play side, and the RT Mitchell Schwartz takes Hightower. Alex Smith fakes the QB option to freeze Flowers for a second which allows the Chiefs to not block him on the play. Morse does a great job of moving Branch out of his spot with his push and then working up to the second level to block Richards. Witzmann effectively takes Van Noy out of the play. With the play side DT moved and both LBs blocked, a huge hole opens up in the middle allowing Hunt to rush for 7 yards. Glad he fumbled!

1st quarter, 1st & 10 at 50, 6:34 remaining:

A gup run 2

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The Pats are almost aligned the same way as the previous play vs 12 personnel from the Chiefs with the only difference being the alignments of LBs Van Noy and Richards. This is a similar run blocking scheme by the Chiefs. The entire offensive line moves to the right as if blocking an outside run but the run goes through the A gap again. There are double teams to both the DTs and to Hightower as well and Kelce takes Flowers this time. Morse does a great job again here pancaking Branch and moving up and blocking Van Noy. Witzmann completely takes Richards out of the play after giving a little shove to Brown to help Fisher’s block. The Pats do a poor job of holding the double teams and attacking the gaps allowing the Chiefs’ O-line to move freely which results in another big gain on first down by Hunt (9 yards).

3rd quarter, 1st & 10 at KC 25, 15:00 remaining

inside run

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This may be a designed outside run with Hunt cutting back to the middle but I think it was a designed run up the middle. The Pats are again using two 3-techniques, but with Lawrence Guy replacing Branch, and Richards playing on the line as an OLB and the Chiefs are on the field with 21 personnel. At this point it was like watching the same thing over and over again and I was wondering if the Pats were ever able to stop it; they were!! (On the play Hightower got injured with David Harris doing a good job.) Chiefs’ O-line is on the move again showing an outside run. There are double teams across the board this time with FB Anthony Sherman & Schwartz on Hightower, Duvernay-Tardif & Morse on Guy, and Witzmann & Fisher on Brown. A good play design on the fake reverse to Hill freezes both Flowers and Richards just for a moment. With Guy committing to stopping the outside run after the ball is snapped, Morse moves straight up to Van Noy who has inside leverage and a good shot at bringing down Hunt, misses the tackle and this goes for 10 yards.

It was important for the Patriots to limit the Chiefs on 1st down to force them into 2nd/3rd and long situations but they failed to do so throughout the night. Failing to stop the inside runs helped the Chiefs to get into manageable downs which allowed them to use their entire playbook. It also resulted in them setting up the outside run game which they later used for huge gains and to close the game out making this a very enjoyable night for one Mr. Roger Goodell.

Part 2 to come

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Man, that TD run by Deshaun Watson last night was the most exciting football play I’ve seen so far this year.

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Louie Benjamin‏ @PFF_Louie 54m
Defensive tackles – pass rush productivity leaders from week 1
1. Adam Butler, NE
2. Javon Hargrave, PIT
3. Geno Atkins, CIN

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After Sunday, Jacoby Brissett will have more career starts than Jimmy Garoppolo.

LOL!

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But he won’t fare as well vs. AZ as JG did in his first start last year. Colts will get destroyed.

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Adrian Peterson already frustrated with Saints. That didn’t take long. Maybe the Patriots Defense is just what he needs to make him less frustrated. Let’s hope not.

Oh, and Peterson, here’s a news flash… you are old now.

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last thing I want to see, is an angry AP taking it out on our swiss cheese D.

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the reason I am optimistic as a Pats fan, is that the Saints OL is all kinds of banged up… like really bad.

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Crazy that we’re in this situation in week 1, where we need to quickly catch up 1 or 2 WR’s that we really need production from.

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yep. Was our deepest position just a few weeks ago. things can change quickly.

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If Dorsett can learn the playbook and quickly gel with Brady, he could be a big help… but that’s a big IF

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I’d like to see Pats sign Braverman on PS. Could be someone to groom for replacing JE and DA.

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maybe he is over-the-hill now, so it might be moot, but I’d actually like to see Andrew Hawkins back. Not as a “groom for the future” as you said, but just for a 2017 band-aid.

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Who knows, maybe Ayers will make it on the field. Not a bad thing to be squeezed out of PIT with that WR corp.

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I’d think if Hawkins were gonna happen, it would have happened by now.

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I really liked Braverman coming out of college. Had him as my #4 WR (Pats specific draft).

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he’s no Boyce, that’s for sure. At least he should hope he’s not.

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Right here buddy
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how come other people get an image of weird cats, and I get an image of a middle finger?

I feel special.

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Jdog gets the middle finger as well. You should feel special 🙂

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As long as Cooks and Hogan stay healthy, and keep the D honest with covering the deep and wide parts of the field, a nice balance of run and RB’s routes should be able to move the ball enough to win. And lets hope the TE’s get more involved. I’m going to have a party when Allen catches his first ball this year (if Brady ever looks to him again)

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Brady should fault himself for not hitting Allen in Game 1.

McDaniels needs to actually call plays that have the RB talent on the field first.

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He was just shocked that Allen was open (let alone wide open).

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you’d think a vet with his experience could control his shock.

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It was really, really shocking though. One of those “once in a lifetime” things.

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not that it would have mattered to the final score if he had completed that pass.

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So much has been talked about that first pass. The Pats scored points on that drive. It didn’t matter in the end.

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http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/8466/rex-burkhead

Sure he may line up in the slot from time to time. BB moves players around a lot but I don’t see Burkhead and any kind of a consistent replacement for Edelman.

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I just don’t see how there could be a 1-for-1 replacement for Edelman. Not even a healthy Amendola. Cooks could probably do it, but that would hurt the Pats on the outside. The Edelman Gap is going to have to be filled by good game planning and using multiple players to fill the role. Diversity.

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Cooks in the slot makes the most sense though. Dorsett won’t be able to do it and Hogan is far more effective as the X.

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and I would think we will see Cooks in the slot some. My point is just that there is not a 1-for-1 replacement. It will likely be mix-and-match with multiple players.

Bottom line for me is that our RB unit is now the deepest and most talented skill position unit on the team. USE THEM, McD and Brady!!!

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In 3 WR sets I would want to see Cooks in the slot, Hogan as the X and Dorsett as the Z.
Much prefer that than using a RB as the primary slot.

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agreed. I’d just like to see them NOT be in 3WR sets too often.

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Against teams with suspect secondaries, why wouldn’t you want them in 3 WR sets?

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obviously they will adjust week to week according to the matchup. I’m just making a general statement. All else being equal, I’d rather see a Pony grouping with motions, etc. than Dorsett on the field.

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Dorsett on the field would mean that a safety will have to take him into account. That will open up the middle of the field (short to intermediate routes). Not to mention making life easier for whoever is on the other side.

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a pass-catching RB can occupy a Safety too.

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????
What safety has to worry about a Pats RB burning him in the deep third?
Dorsett has 4.3 speed.

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Well Dion Lewis was 4.5.

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That might not seem like a big difference, but it is. When was the last go-route you saw Dion Lewis run?

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Also, I highly doubt that after all his injuries, he still can run the time he did at his pro day. Two weeks earlier at the combine his numbers were over 0.1s slower across the board.

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http://www.csnne.com/new-england-patriots/gronkowski-dbs-getting-physical-coverage-you-dont-really-see-it-called-ever

Grank should have a bounce back week .
8 Receptions, 110 yards and 2 Td’s. Lets hope.

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A few Patriots-related thoughts from last night’s TNF:
-Houston’s D-Line remains a problem for other teams.
-Pats will have to, once again, game plan for a QB that can and will run.
-Houston’s CBs dropped like flies last night. Don’t think Tom and Josh didn’t see that.
-Gilmore vs. Hopkins will be quite the battle.
-Texans have a rookie LB out there. He’s good, but I think he can be exploited by any of the Pats pass catching RBs.

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13-9
The Astros hold off the Reds

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such a bad throw

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such a bad QB

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andy dalton looks terrible

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Watson gaining confidence… He still looks a little ‘deer-in-the-headlighty’, but he’s making solid throws.

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Yuck… This episode of “Thursday Night Crapball” brought to you by: Lowered Expectations

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the problem is the football on sundays is starting to look like the games on thursdays

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LOL!!!! Boise St. Uses a dog to retrieve the kickoff tee.

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Where?

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Hmmm. II liked it, but I had to login 3 times to comment.

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Wierd

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Are all Thursday night games on the NFL Network?

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33-20 Pats on Sunday.

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33-14

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So, what makes you think we should trust you?

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i have booze

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Probable*

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Shoulder

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You have a probable age.

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With 4:30 left to go, both teams have 160 yards combined.

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Current Texan drive: 4 plays, 17 yards, 2:30. Riveting…

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This game is more boring than watching a bunch of soccer players play baseball while waiting for the paint to dry in a Baseball Soccer Paint Dry HGTV special.

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With Chris Berman doing commentary.

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Sean McDonough.

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I prefer sleep over this. Good night. I should post part 2 of this article tomorrow

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Best idea of the day. I’m out to sleep too 🙂

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Gronk for JJ Watt, would you do it?

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I wouldn’t.

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Dunno. Me only like gurlz.

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Gronko only pawn in game of life…

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Cincinnati is the most unnecessary NFL team

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“Hold my beer.” – NY Jets

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Nah, Jets are in NYC. They’ve won a SB and they can create storylines. No one would care much if there was no team in Cincy, especially with those uniforms and orange color theme lol

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And Marvin Lewis. Let me put it this way, they are not the worst team or the most incompetenr but if the Bengals vanished tomorrow no one would notice for weeks. Everything is boring about that team 😀

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Unnecessary gruffness, memo. 15 comment penalty.

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Send them to LA? 🙂

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The 3rd best Canadian Football League team.

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The first thing that you notice about TNF is the quality of play.

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* lack

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What’s a TV?

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Both teams using backwards offense, both love losing yards

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I can’t tell them apart!

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And who is BIG Nachos? (see below)

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I would have been pissed off if the Broons didn’t sign Pastrnak. It seems slowly but surely Jacobs is returning to his cheapskate spending after doing well for a number of years.

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Geez MAC. These thoughts are flying fast and furiously from you tonight!

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“Try to keep up.”
– Cali

🙂

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SOx win, but the Yanks already lead BAL 6-0 with one out in the first….

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Waaaaaaaaaaaaiiiiiiiiiiiitttt a minute…..

It’s college football season, and you know what that means………

Yep. It’s Gus Johnson time!!!!!!!

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@RyanHannable
Saints aren’t great at covering TEs. According to @PFF, last year they allowed 70 receptions (25th in NFL), 844 yards (20th), 5 TDs (17th).

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Good thing Edelman signed that contract before his injury. Good for him I can see him playing 3-4 more years.

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With the way he plays, that may be a bit too optimistic.

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Yea but its just wishful thinking thats all

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Dino, here is some on hold music while we await your responses: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qU6LoWIMdlA

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Dino Scapelli will be out of town this weekend. He will respond to your comments Monday evening.

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Stay away from Bourbon Street, curfew at 10!

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Taking about yourself in the 3rd person?
Is that you Wade Boggs?

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You have reached the Office of Dino Scapelli. To speak with a representative, press one.

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I could see bill obrien and Marvin Lewis getting fired this year

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So Danny Amendola has a concussion and knee injury. God I wish jules didnt get hurt

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hey as long as Gronk isn’t injured we’ll be A-OK

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Pray to god he stays healthy. Edelman was in for a monster year with the edition of Cooks.

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I think Gronk will have a better week.
KC (Berry) took him out of the game. Which is hard to do.
Also, Gronk seemed to be too concerned about complaining about the ref’s not throwing flags.

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I mean they were holding on several plays, tugging at his jersey, but Gronk has to fight through it. I expect a better week also.

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Sure. He should have just shoved Berry’s hands off of him …and then get called for OPI.

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ok

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It wasn’t just that. When Gronk lined up on the inside KC doubled teamed him at the line and stopped him from getting off to a fast start. KC took him away on some plays too. They did a good job on him.

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I know, dp. But you specified that Berry took him out in your post.

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Gronk was pretty frustrated that Berry (and others) was being allowed to get away with that on multiple occasions.
When have you ever seen him that upset over it? It was really bad that night.

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IMO, Gronk will bounce back against New Orleans.

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When the offense gels and other people step up, teams won’t be able to focus the majority of their energy on Gronk.
Plus, his conditioning will improve each week.

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I agree, this was the first game without Brady’s best 3rd down receiver in Edelman. Things will get better.

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Thats where the loss of edelman shows up.

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On some plays yes. Berry was part of the double team. It should have read KC and Berry.

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@RyanHannable Same injury report as Wednesday. Only difference is Vincent Valentine went from DNP to limited.
The Big Hallmark Card practiced!

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Yep, we were talking about that earlier. My wish came true. Jim thinks I wasted my wish on the wrong player.

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Yup. HT and Amendola would have been better wishes….in the opinion of the resident Asians here 🙂

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Except I don’t have a high level of wish kung fu. I have to ask for smaller items or the wishes never come true.

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we need Saturn to handle the kung-fu

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Due to my busy schedule I am probably going to do less ” Random Thoughts Form The Stands” posts.

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Disliked. But understood 🙂

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🙁

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Woodhead to IR today. He’s even more fragile that Dion Lewis.

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Maybe this is just me, but I don’t think he’s ever been the same athletically since the 2010 season. He was so fast in his rookie year.

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Full NFL seasons
Woodhead 3
Lewis 0

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Not a far comparison. Woodhead is 32. Lewis is 26.

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First 5 seasons played :

Woodhead 72 games
Lewis 39 games ( does not include the 2 seasons he was out of football)

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Still not a fair comparison. Let’s see how many full seasons Lewis has played in 6 years.

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What has he done in the first 5 seasons (actually 7) that makes you think he has a full season in his future?

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He’s due. Lewis played way more games over the past two years than Woodhead did (who played in a grand total of 3 games since the 2015 season ended.)

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The other guy the Pats really need if they want to go where they want to go, besides Butler, is Pat Chung. He was a mysteriously small part of the game plan last week and didn’t play so hot.
Chung has played at a very high level for the last 3 years, especially 2015 when you could argue he was the MVP of the defense. He’s a big part of what we do. I hope he’s healthy.

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Yea should have had a INT of Alex Smith but it went right through his hands. Could have been a game changer at the end of the half.

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He’s always had frying pan hands. I just hope he’s healthy. Chung playing 60% of the snaps is not good.

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Since his last name is Chung, shouldn’t he have Wok hands?

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That’s racist
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The D had a terrible game, but I really doubt they are nearly as bad as they looked. Yeah, losing Nink, Ryan, Long and Sheard hurts but those 4 aren’t the difference between what we saw against KC and what we saw in 2016.

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Thinking ahead I think Malcom Butler will either get traded or leave in FA. And hes having a off year so far even in Pre season.

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Ya, he had an uncharacteristic PI mistake in coverage this week but also struggled to contain the run. The Pats need him to figure things out.

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Yea hes been off, and its a contract year he gotta step up.

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I assume Langi is good to go, wasn’t on injury report, right? That should help.
AND Just crazy how much turnover has happened in the WR room over the last 3 weeks since JE went on IR. Ayers will be the next cry of the people. The next savior of the season. The next future Chad Jackson.

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http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/patriots/2017/09/danny_amendola_injury_leaves_patriots_punt_return_duties_up_in_the_air
But Dorsett reiterated yesterday that he has yet to fill the role in practice and has mainly worked on catching up on the offensive playbook.

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https://www.profootballfocus.com/news/pro-week-1-surprise-takeaway-the-chiefs-offensive-performance
Last season, Smith averaged the quickest time to throw in the NFL at 2.23 seconds. Only 32 percent of his pass attempts took more than 2.6 seconds. Last Thursday night he averaged 2.83 seconds to throw and 56.4 percent of his passes came after 2.6 seconds. On those 12 three man rushes, the Chiefs averaged 8.1 yards per play and 3.6 seconds to throw. It was a different offensive philosophy altogether and to say the Patriots weren’t ready for it is an understatement.

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We might owe MJD an apology.

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You mean MJD?

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Or maybe JMD?

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Isn’t that what I wrote? 🙂

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Not on my screen. I shall never refresh.

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Don’t blame your dyslexia on me.

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So Pats let Carr and Lucien go, then end up trading a QB for 5th WR, and now signing the dregs of PIT’s cut WR’s as emergency backups. Unbelievable… I’d rather have Dobson back.

cfpats4
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cfpats4

No thanks on Dropson
Age 26 and out of football
Probably working night shift at UPS

JLStokes
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JLStokes

Carr can’t even get on the field for the Saints and they had a guy suspended for 4 games. Lucien is on the practice squad…not the 53, the practice squad.

I think folks are overvaluing these guys.

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BoSoxJim

He couldn’t even get on the field after being on the team about a week. Dear God, he must really suck!
And yes, Dorsett got on the field (because Mitchell went on IR hours before the game). That’s about all you can say about that.

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JLStokes

Carr didn’t even get reps with Brady. Lucien either.

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JLStokes

*in the preseason.

BoSoxJim
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BoSoxJim

Carr was never going to make the 53-man this year anyway. It doesn’t mean he sucks.

BoSoxJim
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BoSoxJim

Well, he probably would be now if he made it to the PS.

JLStokes
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JLStokes

I never said he sucks. I said he’s being overvalued.

BoSoxJim
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BoSoxJim

Saying he would push for Amendola’s spot in 2018 is overvaluing him?
Yeah, he had a very small chance of making the 53-man due to Edelman’s injury this season, but his value was in future years.

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Bill doesn’t release someone he feels could help the team. Amendola’s health concerns are not “new news”. That alone should tell you what Carr is “worth”.

Another: they kept Jordan Richards over him.

BoSoxJim
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BoSoxJim

They kept Richards because they have no f’ing LBs! They were so desperate that they are using Richards as one!
Saying BB never releases anybody who could help the team is ridiculous.

BoSoxJim
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BoSoxJim

If that were the case, then he would comprise the PS entirely of people he didn’t cut.
Because why on Earth would he want someone around that he cut (and was therefore of no use to the team)?

BoSoxJim
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BoSoxJim

Carr was a victim of numbers and timing.

BoSoxJim
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BoSoxJim

..and not offering special teams value

dp73
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dp73

We always do. See Brian Tyms and Chris Harper, just to mention two.

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Neil X

And Boyce, Sudfeld, Lengel. So many.

BoSoxJim
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BoSoxJim

BB drafted Boyce.

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Neil X

I wasn’t talking so much about them being FAs, but rather them being overvalued PS members.

BoSoxJim
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BoSoxJim

Boyce played in 9 games his rookie season.

JLStokes
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JLStokes

For lack of better options. Same season where Hernandez got arrested, Amendola got hurt AND Dobson got hurt. They had frickin’ Austin Collie running around out there.

BoSoxJim
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BoSoxJim

I should say he was active for 9 games. Looked like he was coming into his own the last 3 games (wks 13-15) and then he got hurt.

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hugo #FreeBoney

Its just the Jets but I like where the Bills are at right now.

dp73
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dp73

Time will tell I would be surprised if they beat Carolina in Carolina this week,though.

hugo #FreeBoney
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hugo #FreeBoney

Winning on the road is tough but I like Buffalo over Carolina in a neutral environment

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dp73

I think the next neutral environment is the Super Bowl. You’re not suggesting that are you? lol 🙂

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cfpats4

If Rex was coach, they would be SB bound

dp73
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dp73

Rex who?

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Saturn III

Some guy who works at ESPN.