Y Factors 2017: Patriots vs. Chiefs

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Time to play.

Phillip Dorsett, WR: This week’s Y Factors is going to be four-fifths “Newest Guys” and one-fifth “Other Guy.” While Dorsett is the fifth wideout on the depth chart and will likely be integrated slowly into the offense (PatsPulpit has a great article on this), and I do not think it probable that he will be active Thursday night, his speed gives New England a trio of threats who can burn a defense deep at any time. It will surely take time, but I am excited to see how Dorsett can operate in the Patriots offense.

Cassius Marsh, DE: Of the Patriots’ four pre-cuts trade acquisitions, Marsh is the one who I see being a sneaky early contributor. New England is expected to use some of their outside linebackers on the defensive edge, but Marsh is still the third defensive end on a short depth chart. He recorded three sacks and a forced fumble for Seattle last year, so Marsh could be in position to take on a larger defensive role this year. Plus, he is a frequent special teams contributor, which always is a plus with Bill Belichick.

Johnson Bademosi, CB: I think the general expectation for Bademosi is that he takes on last season’s Jonathan Jones role of “gunner who only comes in to play defense when backups are in,” while Jones is elevated to fourth corner. The acquisition of Bademosi gives New England at least four very good gunners (Matthew Slater, Brandon King, and Jones), so the Patriots have plenty of options as to how to deploy their best players on every special teams unit. I really think New England’s special teams this year will legitimately be fun to watch, except for all the touchbacks.

Marquis Flowers, LB: More special teams! With Shea McClellin on IR, Flowers is expected to primarily be a contributor on the third unit but could step in on defense if needed. There were several Tracy White comparisons made at his acquisition, but Flowers did not play in the final preseason game, meaning at this point it’s purely guesswork what kind of role Flowers may have on the New England defense, if any.

Lawrence Guy, DT: If you spotted the sneaky pun in the opening Dorsett sentence, you knew who my fifth player was. Thursday will be our first real indication of how the Patriots will use their defensive linemen and edge players, and one player I think is being somewhat forgotten is Guy, who can line up on the interior and exterior and had New England’s first preseason sack. The Chiefs’ line is strongest at center Mitch Morse and right guard Laurent Duvernay-Tardif – I don’t know much about left guard Bryan Witzmann, left tackle Eric Fisher is improving but has never lived up to his top-pick draft status, and right tackle Mitchell Schwartz struggled due to injury last year. I don’t know exactly where or how the Patriots are going to utilize Guy, but I think he will be a player to watch throughout the season.

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NewEnglandBlight
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UMaine is crushing Bryant.. trying to figure out which of their players is next to be released by The Pats.Report

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Off to watch UMass lose. I mean play!Report

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they have a football team?Report

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Are you doing OK after hearing about Tajae?Report

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Go UMass.Report

BoSoxJim
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Once again…..Harold Landry would look awesome in a Pats uniReport

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Hairy laundry?Report

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Don’t you dare disrespect him! πŸ™‚Report

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Who is he?Report

BoSoxJim
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Edge rusher for BCReport

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They need something for this year.Report

BoSoxJim
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Not much out there unfortunately. Going to have to hope Wise can step up.Report

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Adam Schefter βœ” @AdamSchefter
Bears signing DE Akiem Hicks to a four-year, $48M extension that includes $30M gtd, per source.

Zowie!Report

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Mike Loyko @NEPD_Loyko
One of the few recent personnel mistakes #Patriots have made. Not upping their offer to keep him.Report

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Don’t miss it!Report

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Why??Report

itsBradyBaby
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Reading below , U guys can’t be serious saying the D was the major problem, the offense could had easily put up close to 40 with the chances the D give them in the first half , can’t keep going three and out and force hthe D to keep making plays , yes they were not good but I will place most of the blame on the Offense .Report

BoSoxJim
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TD drives of 90+ yards under BB:

2001-2016: 9
2017 wk1: 3

There’s a bunch more. If you score 27 and lose by 15, then the problems were more on defense. You shouldn’t have to score over 40 to win a game.Report

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The offense was not the Patriots’ offense. Too many long passes. Not efficient. They have to get back to what they do best. But it was good enough.

The defense was horrendous. I keep harping on the Linebacker group, and I ain’t gonna stop until Bill moves HT back to his rightful position and grabs a couple of replacements for slowpokes like Harris and Roberts and some pass rushers.Report

dp73
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The offense was a little different because the make up of the offense is different.Report

Calipatsfan3473
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Burkhead and White were moving the ball well- and then they went away from that- mistake.Report

itsBradyBaby
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I saw it differently , saw a inconsistent offense once they stopped running the ball that kept going three and out , KC damage was done in the second half when we kept D on field for too long with quick three n outs .Report

DinoScapelli
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Because KC shut down the run attack. They had something like three runs over 4 yards!Report

itsBradyBaby
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Nope they didnt, Josh got fancy trying to force the throws when run game was working .Report

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Read the play-by-play. They couldn’t run the ball.Report

itsBradyBaby
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I watched the game we just started throwing more .Report

BoSoxJim
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They only really gained yards running out of passing formations. Eventually teams will become wise to this and shut it down. Especially if the receivers aren’t gaining separation quickly.Report

BoSoxJim
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GL running was good but overall their short yard power runs need a lot of work.Report

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White shouldn’t be doing those.Report

BoSoxJim
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If you can’t win a game after scoring 27, then there is something seriously wrong.Report

dp73
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I agree. See it happens πŸ™‚Report

BoSoxJim
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The receivers weren’t winning their battles underneath, Dino. Certainly not after DA got bent in half. Hogan couldn’t get separation at all.Report

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Hogan is an outside guy like the others. Josh needs to use the RBs underneath.Report

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Get used to Hogan out of the slot. I have been arguing against it but it looks like they want Dorsett and Cooks outside and Hogan inside.
Especially with DA hurt again.Report

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They’ll come around to my way of thinking.Report

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Cincinnati giving Michigan quite a game. CIN 14 MI 17Report

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Rams Aaron Donald has reported————————————–>Report

dp73
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On opening night i thought there was a lot more problems on defense than offense.Report

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I disagree. I thought the defense played great.

Take away the 42 points and it was a shutout.Report

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{sarcasm font}Report

dp73
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OK . The font needs work πŸ™‚Report

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I agree dp- defense was the big problem.Report

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http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/6483/dion-lewis

I have to wonder what other teams could be offering. I don’t see if being a lot for a player that hasn’t never player a full season. The most game he played in was 15 in 2011. Don’t get me wrong I love the guy as a player.Report

dp73
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I think the heart of this defense is the secondary but if the have to cover forever then like and secondary they can be exposed. We need and much better pass rush.Report

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We had pretty good pass rush on Thursday. Our linebackers were crap.Report

dp73
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I would agree to a point. When the game was on the line there not much of a pass rush. In the 4th quarter the pass rush was not good.Report

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Sure. 3 TD drives of 90+ yards. It was great. πŸ˜‰Report

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It was woefully inconsistent from drive to drive.Report

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hope the Pats dont trade Lewis for a 7th rounder or a STs player.Report

itsBradyBaby
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We lost cus Josh got too fancy n had to stay once we started falling too far behind, he had KC guessing with Mike n White running the ball , its ok to run more and pass less if its working, D had issues but give the O chances to put game away early , and Marsh will be fine , everything will gel but HUG yourself if you think we suck based off one game .Report

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I hope we see the laser focused angry Brady against NO.Report

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Well, this was as ugly as a defeat as they come. But what defines a team is not how they win any given game, but how they rebound after a devastating loss. So we’ll have an early indication about the value of this year’s team, as soon as next week… and we’ll also see how effective is the 40 year old QB when he is really pissed πŸ™‚Report

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ive seen much uglier. 2014 KC was much worse. ive seen where the pats couldnt move the ball at all. The offense will be fine as long as they go back to what they do best. hopefully Dorsett can get up to speed. The concern is the big plays on defense.Report

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the 40 year old QB is the same guy as the 39 yr old QB. we dont have to wait and seeReport

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The next game will be telling on many levels: -Was Thursday a blip in the overall season? -Are the new guys soaking up the system? -Who will be the WR? -Will there be a focus on the running game? -Will they come out on fire or are we witnessing a Super Bowl hangover team that is still searching for its identity? And what will that identity be? My thoughts: They will struggle the first 6 games or so. With a weak AFCE, they should still win it, but it”ll be more with a 10-6 like record. All that matters is… Read more »
Jonc77
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10-6? and a trying season? Are you ok MACReport

MasterAndCommander
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Yep. Not going all Rico but right now, that defense is a sieve and the critical injuries are piling up on both sides of the ball. Can it be fixed? Sure. Will it take a lttle time? Probably. But one also has to face the reality of the present, not count on the results of the past.

That’s why it’ll be interesting to see what happnes vs. NO.Report

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MAC even if the defense sucks the pats can still win 12 games. We have seen that many times before. The offense will be fineReport

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Irma effects are already being felt in FloridaReport

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Stay safe to all our bruhs that live in Florida and Georgia.Report

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Thanks. Gonna be rough.Report

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Wine is good.Report

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…in moderation.Report

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moderation is boringReport

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Moderation is for moderators.Report

Neil X
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I was in a bar tonight that had **no** dark rum at all. The only rum they had that was darker than Bacardi Silver was spiced rum. WTF??Report

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Mac cleaned them out.Report

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I don’t think they even knew there was dark rum that wasn’t spiced.Report

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Lesson learned: Walk out of that bar immediately.Report

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I dreamt that the Patriots played a game before the rest of the NFL and lost badly. Man, I gotta lay off the cheap hooch!Report

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Ummmmmmmmmmm….. check the sports page..Report

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Must I?Report

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Trying to see if we can see the northern lights here in MD. Anyone near the Canadian border, northern US, etc. should be able to.Report

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While we’re on the subject, what do you think of Diplomatico Reserva Esclusiva rum?Report

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Have not tried it. where is it made?Report

MasterAndCommander
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Just found out, Venezuela. And fans of Ron Zacapa should like it. I am a fan of RZ. Now I must find this one.Report

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Ron Zacapa is a DT on the practice squad right?Report

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rumhowlerblog gives it 94 points. I will try it next week with my old friends get together. It will be my introduction to the wild and wooly world of rum!Report

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Now I have to find a place that sells it. May have to special order it if need be.Report

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Neil X
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Wow, I didn’t realize that the 537 yards given up by the Pats D last night was the most ever given up by a Belichick coached team.Report

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Pats fans, what’s up? Are we good now? 18-1 baby!!!Report

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Doing great, other than that Cutler and Miami will win the AFCE.Report

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Go jump alreadyReport

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Have received the same robo call 6 times on the home phone today- security breach in my cloud account- Apple products may be compromised- call this #- we don’t own any Apple products nor do we have a cloud account- SCAM.Report

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Shrewd of you to figure it out. {Gratuitous Sarcasm Font}Report

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I’ve gotten similar scam texts from “ISPs” and “banks” over the past few months. It’s all horse$hit.Report

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They have busted a couple call centers down here this year. Some were set up to con old people out of money. Others were similar to what you described. Nothing lower than trying to trick an elderly person out of their social security money.Report

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Yeah- If I don’t know the caller- I don’t pick up.Report

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Years ago someone called my Grandmother and said that they were a deputy from a sheriff’s dept in South Carolina and that my brother had been arrested on a DUI and they needed her to Western Union $2500 to them for bail. Thankfully she called me first before doing it. She almost went and did it without checking first. Many others scams tell them they have won a lottery and they need to WU $500 to them for processing charges. And many do it πŸ™ It’s sickeningReport

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I believe I will now enjoy a cocktail- put all the Fall decorations up today- not Halloween- Fall πŸ™‚Report

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its not fallReport

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Soon!!Report

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Whoda thought the Browns would be the team actually taking constructive action to move the whole anthem dialogue in a positive direction. Talking, what a novel concept. I sincerely hope their efforts bear fruit.Report

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Well- Elliott got his TRO and the judge called out the NFL for lying and hiding evidence- where have I heard this before?Report

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I heard Elliots lawyer is Jackie ChilesReport

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I smell on overturn coming.Report

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welcome to our world….Report

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Yup- but he’ll get to play this season.Report

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F**k it. I’m drinking the high proof stuff, now.Report

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Smirnoff ice doesnt count Zoo.. STEP IT UPReport

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As long as its rum and not that lame bourbon stuff….Report

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Go big or go homeReport

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don’tReport

MasterAndCommander
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Soooo… you just let essentially a rookie run up TDs and big yards and you get an extension??? really????Report

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Yes.Report

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Q: In the loss to Kansas City in 2014, you said you liked the way the team finished that night. How do feel about last night’s finish in that regard? BB: I think I said it a thousand times. I think we’ve got a lot of work to do. I don’t think anything that we did really was good enough. I’m not really interested in living in the past in 2014, 2015, 2003, 2004, which constantly keeps coming up. I mean, everything’s about some other year but this year and this team. I don’t really think all that’s relevant because… Read more »
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Tull <3Report

redemption50
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Have we had enough time to vent, have a couple cocktails and process last night’s game?Report

redemption50
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Afternoon Patriots fansReport

Deadsmack #NoDaysOff
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The Patriots worked out free agent QB Matt Barkley on Friday.
They also worked out David Fales and Matt McGloin. The Patriots are down to two quarterbacks after trading Jacoby Brissett to Indianapolis prior to final cuts last week. Barkley spent the summer with San Francisco but ultimately lost the backup role to third-round rookie C.J. Beathard.Report

Deadsmack #NoDaysOff
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What about … Chris Harper, a guy that knows our playbookReport

dp73
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Maybe. He was 14 career receptions in 14 games. He also has had 3 career punt returns.Report

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funny guy ↑Report

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:^)Report

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And he is amazing at punt returnsReport

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I’d call the Texans to see if they’d make Braxton Miller available. Comes from similar system, ran a 6.6 3-cone and didn’t play with a decent QB. I highly doubt they’d move him for cheap but I’d still make the call.
Kendal Wright, McPhee, Willlie Young, Christian Jones interesting names on the BearsReport

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Nop, i would sign a veteran that already played as slot WR. We don’t need a superstar, but a security blanket for Brady at the middle.
A guy that can get something like 500 yards and a couple of TD’sReport

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Austin Collie, Keshawn Martin??? HahaReport

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healthier than Collie, better than MartinReport

Deadsmack #NoDaysOff
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Would you sign Victor Cruz to play at the slot?Report

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If the Bears cut him how good could he have been?Report

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I wouldn’tReport

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Mark Daniels βœ” @MarkDanielsPJ
Third year in a row that Amendola’s been hurt while returning a punt.

Find someone elseReport

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Ya until someone else fumbles and everyone screams to get Amendola back there. Just fair catch everything. The odds of making a good return without a flag are slim to none.Report

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Just my two cents, It might be time to change how we do preseason games. Starters need to play more to build the chemistry and shake off the rust. Last night felt like a 5th preseason game but only this time the loss counts.Report

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So we can have even more guys than just Edelman gone?Report

Lordinnocent
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Putrid game last night and Brady deserves a lot of the blame. His chemistry with his receivers needs work Defense seemed lost when HT went out. A lot to fix but I’m not worried..the ship will be righted.Report

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I agree, i’m just worried because the D looked so bad. But no panic.Report

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How dare you not panic? I order you to panic NOWReport

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Last night still seems surreal. As sucky as it was, I think the Chiefs have to feel worse after losing Berry. Kind of like how we felt winning a regular season game but losing Gronk. #GlassHalfFullReport

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Hightower should wear a knee braceReport

HunterCenter
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limits his speed and agility. but he’ll certainly wear one now.Report

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Report what?Report

HunterCenter
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I disklike Cassius Marsh not because of his RB cover skills, but because of those god awful tats. Crosses under your eyes? Really? What a dork.Report

dp73
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I think Marsh did well for his first week.Report

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I think the crosses were face paint not tatsReport

HunterCenter
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I really hope so.

Even body tats are dumb, regardless.Report

HunterCenter
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I’ll certainly give him a pass as far as performance since he was so new to the team. But I’m not giving him a pass for the face tats. Putrid. Do people realize how idiotic they look?Report

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No- they don’t and when they get to be 50 it’ll be even worse.Report

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CSN New England‏ @CSNNE
#Patriots reportedly work out three quarterbacks, including Matt Barkley – @DJ_BeanReport

HunterCenter
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ha, yeah, Barkley, that’s just what the team needs.Report

dp73
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They need him more than Bolden or somebody else being a back up QBReport

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only if Brady goes downReport

dp73
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Bring in a PS guy.Why wait until one QB goes down?Report

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good news on Hightower. We’d probably be struggling to be a 4 seed in the playoffs if he had torn that MCL.Report

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He’ll be struggling with it all season now.Report

HunterCenter
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they should shut him down for like 3 gamesReport

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Just what the defense needs.Report

HunterCenter
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it would suck, I agree, but the Pats are still winning the division, so I’d rather have a healthy Hightower for 75% of the season than a gimpy Hightower for 100% of the season.Report

dp73
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I didn’t see that Mike Reiss did a 3 up and 3 down on the game last night.Report

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Not many ups, too many downsReport

HunterCenter
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That’s because the title of the post was “53 Downs”Report

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That’s rough…even the guys who were inactive got a down.Report

HunterCenter
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they got a Down because they weren’t good enough to be Active.Report

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Maybe they should have had Hollister active.Report

HunterCenter
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so Brady could overthrow him as well?Report

dp73
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I can think of 3. Gostkowski, Devlin and Amendola.Report

dp73
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I didn’t think it was a well officiated game at all but I didn’t care for all the whining the Patriots did. Gronk seemed to do a lot of it.Report

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Gronk was out of line- yes he was held but he seemed to be calling for a flag on every play.Report

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Guys 50lbs lighter then you and 6” shorter should never dictate how you play. It was embarrassing really. You have to put guys in their place if you want them to stop.Report

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Like he did to Sergio Brown at IndyReport

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Exactly! What’s the point of being that big and strong and all you do is complain about a runt? He knows better, 2 catches for him is unacceptable.Report

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