Preseason Y Factors 2017: Patriots vs. Giants

-by DNOMN8R314

NOTE: Don’t forget to submit your roster projections toΒ contests@patsfootballfans.com byΒ 11:59 PM on September 1.

Reasons I am writing this article less than four hours before game time in a Starbucks:

  • This game snuck up on me.
  • This game will feature exclusively backups.
  • I try not to repeat players in the preseason. I’ve already used 15, meaning I’m running low on feasible Y Factors.
  • I’m not going to be able to watch most of this game, so I haven’t paid as much attention leading up to it.
  • Starbucks has free WiFi.

Geneo Grissom, DE: Grissom is one of two players where I’m getting a similar vibe to Kony Ealy predictions of last week: “he’s not great, but the Patriots will keep him because who else do they have at the position.” (Cyrus Jones is the other.) As Ealy is gone, Grissom will have to put up a strong performance to avoid the same fate. Bill Belichick has shown repeatedly that he would rather cut a middling player and enter the season with less depth at that position than have to chance using that player in a critical situation. Grissom does have significant special teams value, always a plus with Belichick, but I do not think his roster chances are as locked-in as some. I could see him on or off the team depending on tonight, and on other moves.

Cole Croston, T/G: I nearly put Croston on this list twice already, but I think he is an interesting player to watch. Croston is really the only tackle/guard hybrid on the team and is among the team leaders in preseason snaps, which might make him a player New England tries to keep around, particularly after a report last week (I don’t remember whose) that other teams might be interested in claiming Croston or Conor McDermott if cut. With minimal noticeable depth on the offensive line, Croston could be in an interesting situation leading up to Saturday’s cuts.

David Jones, S: Jones makes this list because he was a player who was projected to go fairly high in the draft (third round or thereabouts) before an injury knocked him into the realm of the UDFAs. Jones’ play has admittedly been difficult to watch at times, but I am wondering how much of that was due to falling behind from injury and how much of that might be due to his talent level. His performance tonight could give a clearer indication as to whether New England wants to keep him around to develop or not.

Marquis Flowers, LB: Can’t leave the newest Patriot off the list. Acquired from Cincinnati, Flowers projects as a core special teams player who can contribute on defense if needed; I have already seen multiple comparisons to Tracy White. While the fourth preseason game is traditionally a backups-only game, it could give fans an idea of what role Flowers might have on defense, if he is used at all tonight.

Jason Thompson, S: Thompson has seen some time on defense, but he makes the list because of special teams. When Thompson was signed, many pointed out that he was a special teams standout at Utah, but with so many core STers already on the Patriots’ roster, his odds are long at pulling a Jonathan Jones and making the 53 out of camp. While a roster spot is possible, percentages are higher that he develops through the practice squad.

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Sox win.Report

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Hey Bonesy! Been a while, how’s it going?Report

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Tolerable. How about you?Report

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Busy. Consulting with a few companies up in the Pacific Northwest. Travelling a lot.Report

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Renton?Report

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Yeah, mostly. Everett too.Report

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Pulisic has had a bit of a reality check? Yeah, the reality that his teammates suck. He’s the best player on the field. Give me a break!Report

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Geoff Cameron must go.Report

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Did Jermaine “Ay Ay MVP” Kearse kill himself upon hearing the news?Report

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OK. USA is losing 1-0. Where are they with regards to qualifying?Report

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They’re in third behind Mexico and CR. Top 3 qualify and 4th goes on to a playoff against an Oceana team or something (I.e. qualifies). It’s pretty impossible for them not to qualify but espn likes to build up the drama. If they win tonight, they’re in great position but if not, they’ll still make it.Report

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And we’re heading to “the Final Cut Down”……Report

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Crazy shotReport

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Bobby Wood playing well.Report

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That wasn’t a card?Report

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Is Alabama/Florida State on tonight??Report

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Brissett safe after last night—————————————————>Report

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I like Brissett and hope he will continue to improve.Report

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Me too.Report

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Going to watch the game tonight, Cali?Report

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I think so- it’s on pretty soon??Report

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NowReport

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Got it on.Report

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Pats have released Jon Freeny——————————->Report

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Seattle doing a lot of trades today- now sending a player to the Vikings—————————————>Report

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I’m thinking …five roster additions from cap-cuts or trades before the deadline tomorrow. There has to be at least a few! This team needs a couple of could-be starters at DE and LB, and maybe OT. Otherwise, they might not even go 19-0.

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goodnight you pessimistic linebacker analyst! πŸ™‚Report

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Dp are you wearing one of those Goodell clown shirts to the game?Report

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I wouldn’t mind having one of those towels.Report

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The person I am taking to this game is known to take a lot of free towels at the game. So I may get extra.Report

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If I am handed one I would either wear it or wave it. lol
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I read somewhere that someone purchased thousands of the towels and will be passing them out outside the game for free. Not sure if that’s trueReport

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That is the local rumor.Report

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Barstool sports——————————————>Report

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I don’t understand how skill players can play on offense but playing them as a PR on ST is risky? As in running around 300lb Dt’s and trying to juke headhunting safeties isn’t?Report

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Generally they aren’t but when you are talking Lewis who is hurt most years asking him to do both is a stretch.
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/L/LewiDi00.htmReport

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Harder to catch a punt, if you drop it it’s a live ball, all 11 players coming right for you at full speed, and it can flip field position entirely. Stakes are higher on that single play.Report

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And because the stakes are higher, even more reason to use a vet WR or RB who has good hands and knows what to doReport

redemption50
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When you catch a ball in the middle of the field, you have guys lasering in on you too. Seems like it’s just part of the game.Report

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Punt return danger comes from so many people with a running start coming at you. Dodge one Safety on offense, and you’re in open space.Report

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So call a fair catch then. or run out of bounds. Any name I see thrown up as an idea for a PR, someone says that they don’t want to lose him. That can happen anytime. Look at Edelman and Cyrus.Report

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Also, how long doyou think Amendola would last playing WR and as a full time PR and KR?Report

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How am I supposed to know that? ANY player can get hit on any play and be out for the rest of the tear. Not just as a PR . i understand we don’t want players put to additional risk but it’s football, players get hurt. It sucks but it’s realityReport

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My point is given the injury history of Lewis and Amendola I think in would be smart to keep Foster as a full time returner and let Lewis and Amendola add depth to their positions.Report

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I like the idea. Hopefully Bill does tooReport

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QB (3) T.Brady, J.Garoppolo, J.Brissett
RB (6) M.Gillislee, R.Burkhead, J.White, D.Lewis, J.Develin, B.Bolden
WR (5) B.Cooks, C.Hogan, M.Mitchell, D.Amendola, D.Lucien
TE (3) R.Gronkowski, D.Allen, J.Hollister
C (1) D.Andrews
G (3) S.Mason, J.Thuney, T.Karras
T (4) N.Solder, M.Cannon, C.Fleming, C.Croston
DE (3) T.Flowers, D.Hightower, D.Wise
DT (5) A.Branch, M.Brown, V.Valentine, L.Guy, A.Butler
ILB(2) E.Roberts, D.Harris
OLB(4) K.VanNoy, S.McClellin, H.Langi, M.Flowers
CB (5) M.Butler, S.Gilmore, E.Rowe, J.Jones, K.Moore
SS (4) P.Chung, J.Richards, N.Ebner, B.King
FS (2) D.McCourty, D.Harmon
ST (3) S.Gostkowski, R.Allen, J.Cardona

Total players: 53Report

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That defense is not good. And I’m including guys that are now hurt, and may not be ready for Week 1!Report

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Who return punts and kickoffs?Report

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Good question, dp. No friggin’ idea.Report

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That is why I had Foster making the team.Report

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Ahh, the All-RB roster! It may happen. They have no depth anywhere else.Report

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My vote is Dion LewisReport

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He could probably do both for a month and miss the rest of the year.Report

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Too brittle.Report

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Try it till it doesn’t workReport

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Then lose his as a back?Report

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They have a bunch of Rb’s. use themReport

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White returning kicks?Report

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Parts of it are. Secondary is good to great. LB’s and DE’s are avg at best. DT’s are solidReport

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Secondary and DTs, yes, but the rest is crap.Report

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Crap is a little strong, Dino. They have Top end talent in DHT, Flowers but lack quality depth. Coaches have to coach em upReport

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Will Hightower play 16 games? I doubt it. Flowers may be good, but we haven’t seen him play the edge for more than parts of a game, yet.

The LBs are truly horrid.Report

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Van Noy is solid. Harris is avg. The rest are question marksReport

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Van Noy is a nice #4 LB. They just don’t have a #1, 2, or 3.Report

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Van Noy is better than a #4, c’monReport

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Wow. Then why did Detroit not start him at all in years 1 and 2, and trade him away in year 3 for a 6th Round pick?Report

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David Harris is not horrid!Report

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Did you see him play all night in preseason 4, and look hideous doing it? I did. He used to be good, but no more.Report

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Not horrid, just slowReport

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How did Devin Lucien look overall this summer? I have never seen him playReport

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Not bad- I like Carr better.Report

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Bill seems to think he looked good.Report

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Good guy to have on your sideReport

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Sheldon Richardson and Michael Bennett together. Ouch.Report

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Maybe Boyce will be your server πŸ™‚Report

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Low blow, Cali. True but lowReport

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Et tu?Report

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Tu dices que?Report

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Bless you.Report

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Who is Marquis Flowers?Report

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A football player.Report

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ST LB.Report

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Wouldn’t be a training camp without trading for one of thoseReport

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A dancer on Broadway.Report

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Who moonlights as a NFL player. Must be very talented!Report

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Chris Harper cut by the Jets.Report

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Talk about rock bottom…Report

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Almost as bad as getting cut by the Browns πŸ™‚Report

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Knew that was coming.Report

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There were no names mentioned πŸ™‚Report

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Maybe even worse!Report

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I think the Jets are worse than the Browns.Report

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I’m holding off as long as possible before sending DNOM my 53!Report

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I’m waiting until 1 minute before kickoff next Thursday.Report

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Seems like health will be the main factor for this team’s overall success this year. As it usually is. They managed to stay relatively healthy last year. And the one main player they lost (Gronk) they had a solid replacement for. Have to keep the fingers crossed. Not much else to doReport

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Depth has suddenly become a large concern.Report

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triple option wishbone , here we comeReport

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How we feelin pats fans? Super bowl or bust?Report

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19-0 or gtfoReport

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They’ll be fine.Report

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Normally I like a nice bust, but….Report

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just like Frank DrebinReport

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Zack Cox βœ” @ZackCoxNESN
High praise from Bill Belichick on Devin Lucien. Said it’s clear the wideout’s hard work is paying off.

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or you can see it here……
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So click on it, Einstein!Report

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I guess you can never count on your own judgement when cut-down time comes around. Bill always befuddles us, but the Coleman trade is a head scratcher to me. A 7th Rounder for a guy who can actually play in this league? And now you’re depending on Jonathan Jones to play some meaningful minutes at CB? I really don’t get it.Report

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IIRC, Coleman had a rough 2016Report

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SF cuts RB Tim Hightower.Report

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Shaun Ellis is available.Report

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Laters….Report

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OMG! They cut Gronk!
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Misspelled…Brock come incompetent…Report

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wink wink..Report

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Brock is owed 16 million from the Browns.Report

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Browns being the BrownsReport

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I could live very nicely on that.Report

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Cali’s on to Maine!!!Report

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It would be today with 16 million in my pocket!!Report

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QB Matt Barkley cut.Report

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