Preseason Y Factors 2017: Patriots at Lions

-by DNOMN8R314

It’s just about time for the third preseason game, a.k.a. the one where starters play and people go nuts, forgetting it is still August. That said, Game 3 can give us some valuable insight, particularly bubble players’ standing on the depth chart. Even though Patriots writers generally agree that there are only a few roster spots open on New England’s 53, there is still plenty of debate as to who might claim those places on the back of the squad. While discussion continues regarding the usual attention-grabbers (such as D.J. Foster, Jacob Hollister, Adam Butler, and Austin Carr, all of whom have earned their attention), here are a few who might have slipped beneath the collective vision.

(By the way, it was pointed out that none of the players I listed last week had any impact on the game. To which I say, what else is new, that’s what usually happens in the regular season.)

Kyle Van Noy, LB: “But Van Noy is a starter! How could you include him?” To the however-many of you who might be thinking that, and to the rest of you who aren’t, I’ve included Van Noy more because I’m curious as to how Bill Belichick will utilize his outside linebackers. Since his activation from PUP, Dont’a Hightower has participated in workouts with the defensive linemen, not linebackers, fueling speculation that Belichick will use OLBs such as Hightower, Van Noy, and/or Shea McClellin on the defensive edge to offset the loss of Derek Rivers. Since the third game is traditionally The Starters’ Game, we should see some confirming or debunking evidence Friday night.

Trevor Bates, LB: Back to the main point of this article, Bates put forth a strong showing against Houston, which has led to some predictions of a roster spot. Another OLB, Bates spend last year on the practice squad and has played decently in coverage and on the line of scrimmage. In a group of linebackers that contains few players who are masters at any one particular skill set, if Bates continues or increases his level of play, that may be enough to make the team.

Josh Augusta, DT: While Augusta has had long odds to crack a deep DT group since the beginning of camp, he is the second-largest player on the roster, listed on the team website as 335 pounds (tied with Marcus Cannon, behind only 350-lb. Alan Branch). Of course, size is unimportant if a player does not know how to properly use it to his advantage – there is no way for me to reword that phrase to remove any innuendo – so the next two weeks will be important to see if Augusta sticks around at all in Foxboro.

Cody Hollister, WR: Despite being very near the bottom of the receiving depth chart, the other Hollister could end up on the practice squad with a strong showing on special teams. One of the main points made when Hollister was signed was his frequent special teams play, and he has seen time on third units during preseason games. Belichick frequently emphasizes the importance of special teams, so even with minimal offensive impact, Hollister may spend more time in New England than thought if he continues strong ST play.

Kenny Moore II, CB: Moore’s journey this August has been a particularly interesting one, marked by strong play in early practices but minimal impact in preseason games, both on defense and special teams. Moore is seeing a lot of time at gunner, so it is possible Belichick sees him as on the Jonathan Jones career path. To at least one outside observer, Moore could end up anywhere from the roster to the practice squad to no longer in Foxboro, so his performance in these two games will certainly be one to watch.

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jdlboot14
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I don’t know why so many pundits are trying to find WR’s for Pats to bring in for JE… No one can replace what he does – it’s all based on seeing with the same eyes as Brady (for 9 years) Otherwise, we have 4 guys who were going to be fighting for targets anyway. I think adding Carr is smarter than trying to find another mid-range vet to struggle and be too far behind to matter

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Monday: good news edition
I got Brady & Gronk in my FF draft

JLStokes
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A moment of silence for the Edelman…

jdlboot14
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We know Amendola can carry a good portion of the load that JE11 did, like in past when JE was out, and playoffs… but the team was hoping not to have to use DA that much, because I’m worried he won’t make it through the year healthy either. But timing with Cooks needs time to develop, so in those clutch moments, it’s going to be Hogan, DA, Gronk (and RB’s – White/Lewis)

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They still don’t really have to over do it with him. Dola, White, Lewis and Birkhead can approximate Edelman’s presence.

jdlboot14
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with such a crowded RB corp, maybe use Lewis primarily as a slot WR – he’s quicker than JE

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I wouldn’t be surprised if they groomed Foster into more of a slot WR.

JLStokes
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I saw some analysis that he has trouble getting off press coverage.

MasterAndCommander
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The Sox tailspin continues……

Calipatsfan3473
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Wow- are they losing again??

MasterAndCommander
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Yep. 6 game lead down to 2.5

Calipatsfan3473
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Ouch- not good

Calipatsfan3473
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Bengels Burfict- 5 game suspension—————————->

NewEnglandBlight
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It’s fun to do bad things

Calipatsfan3473
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Not if you don’t get paid.

NewEnglandBlight
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So many ways I could take this statement!

MasterAndCommander
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Damn. Now I gotta wait a year. At least.

MasterAndCommander
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LOL

Calipatsfan3473
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Is Lucy in the sky with diamonds??

MasterAndCommander
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Well that sets things up.

Calipatsfan3473
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SF is going to score here- with the young Bethard under center.

Calipatsfan3473
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Tomorrow is our 35th wedding anniversary- we got a dryer.

Calipatsfan3473
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And had Chinese food.

Calipatsfan3473
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Got to put up the fall stuff- in 103 degree weather.

Calipatsfan3473
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Nope- got to drag the old stuff out of the garage.

dyims
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Early congratulations on your wedding anniversary!!!

hugowasmyhomeboy
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Figured if there was ever a year a UDFA wouldn’t make the team, it was this one. Next thing you know Langi seems like a near-lock and Adam Butler is in pole position.

hugowasmyhomeboy
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With Edelman’s injury, maybe he makes it too. We’ll see. But they could like one of the TEs or RBs (Jake Hollister, O’Shaughnessy, DJ Foster) more and put Carr on the practice squad.

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He just gotta stop eating butterfingers between drives.

hugowasmyhomeboy
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someone left the cake out in the rain

Saturn III
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We oil the jaws of our war machines and feed them with our babies!

hugowasmyhomeboy
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m/
For some reason disqus won’t let me put a backslash

MasterAndCommander
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Alllllllrrriiiiiiigggghhhttt!!!!!
LESS THAN 30 MINUTES!!!!
Some one will fly,
Some one will fry,
Some one will die,
Won’t be Hot Pie,
One will betray
One wins the day
A wall will fall
A bird will call,
To stop the night
and make things right.

GoT, GoT GoT!!!!

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We’re having poetry night again???? SWEET!!!!

LaFeteMattDog
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I don’t get it either. I watched about 5 minutes of one episode once. It’s soft-core porn, for people who don’t know there’s hard-core porn…for free….on the internet.

dfwpatsfan
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Scott Kacsmar‏Verified account @FO_ScottKacsmar

2008
MIA signs Chad Pennington on 8/8
Brady torn ACL vs. Chiefs Week 1

2017
MIA signs Jay Cutler on 8/7
Brady/NE vs. Chiefs Week 1
12:45 PM – 27 Aug 2017

So Kacsmar has finally hit the jackpot of correlations always imply causations.

dfwpatsfan
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I just realized more “correlations” 2017 = 20 (1+7) = 2008 (MIAMI IS MAKING THE PLAYOFFS!!!!!!!)

cqrun
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Its a stretch….

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dfwpatsfan
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LMFAO!!!

cqrun
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2015 but still applies!

Dingo
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Given his pseudo logic, I am weighing on the side that this guy has a screw loose, as opposed to merely being a hateful d-bag: http://boston.cbslocal.com/2017/07/18/scott-kacsmar-tom-brady-twitter-rant/

cqrun
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And with an N of 2.

MasterAndCommander
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1.5

dp73
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http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/9405/jarvis-landry

I doubt Miami would trade Landry to the Patriots but I would give up a #2 in a heartbeat.

hugowasmyhomeboy
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I would too. But I’d think Miami can find a trading partner outside the division. Good decision by Miami.

dp73
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Maybe in that if they can’t afford him but talent wise he is a keeper.

hugowasmyhomeboy
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I think he’s a luxury – a really good #2… that will expect to be paid and treated as a #1.

hugowasmyhomeboy
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I wonder if he’ll really get paid though… we were having this exact same convo about Alshon Jeffery last year. And he ended up signing a “prove it” one year deal rather than a long term contract.

JLStokes
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I think teams are a bit scared about Jeffrey’s injury history. Landry doesn’t have those issues.

dp73
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He is a #1. He has caught 288 passes in 3 years and hasn’t missed a game.
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/L/LandJa00.htm

All this with Tannahill as his QB.

HunterCenter
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And has ST value

cqrun
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Maybe the Dolphins will do us a solid and release him, although he would probably not clear waivers.

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Forgot the Pats still have Corey Vereen on IR—————————————>

dp73
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Calipatsfan3473
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Looks to be the year of the torn ACL.

Calipatsfan3473
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DE Caleb Kidder waived by Pats—————————->

PatriotPrideBoy
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You gotta be Kidding me

Calipatsfan3473
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I’m not a kidder 🙂

Calipatsfan3473
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Cousins not looking too good.

BoSoxJim
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Ealy is now a Jet. Sounds about right.

cqrun
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“This is what happens when you screw around and don’t take your job seriously!”

BoSoxJim
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This guy continues to be the biggest Brady hater…..

Scott Kacsmar‏Verified account @FO_ScottKacsmar

2008
MIA signs Chad Pennington on 8/8
Brady torn ACL vs. Chiefs Week 1

2017
MIA signs Jay Cutler on 8/7
Brady/NE vs. Chiefs Week 1
12:45 PM – 27 Aug 2017

Calipatsfan3473
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Official- Kizer is the starting QB for the Browns.—————————–>

Calipatsfan3473
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Titans don’t look that good.

dp73
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Preseason games are for players trying to win jobs and work on the basic techniques that will help them during the season. Wining or losing in preseason and have little with the regular season.

I still think the Titians will be a playoff team.

HunterCenter
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AFC dark horse, I agree

Calipatsfan3473
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Bears longsnapper carted off the field with a knee injury.

Calipatsfan3473
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Ahmad Brooks visiting Packers and Broncos———————————->

Calipatsfan3473
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Christmas lights out in Big Lots 🙁

BoSoxJim
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Hallmark started showing Christmas movies in July.

Calipatsfan3473
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That was for “Christmas in July”- and the release of their new ornaments.

BoSoxJim
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You would know that, Cali 🙂

Calipatsfan3473
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So would you 🙂

jdlboot14
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Weird to have just 1 cut day this year. It’s gonna be like a fire sale. Cause there will likely be at least one impact player we acquire from another teams cuts. And probably a couple suspicious IR designations 🙂

bring
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Garcia to IR perhaps?

dp73
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I have always thought Geno Grissom could be a better player and he now has the opportunity to prove that he can be and help this team.

BoSoxJim
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He’s shown flashes in the past. The Pats need him to step up big time this year.

jdlboot14
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Surprised some recent projections don’t even include him. I’d say with Ealy gone, Grissom certainly makes it. And it’s up to him how much of the rotation he sees.

Calipatsfan3473
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PFT reporting that the Browns are going to name Kizer as their starter. Bye bye Brock.

BoSoxJim
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Well, the writing was on the wall the moment Sashi Brown issued this statement after the trade:

from foxsports.com

Browns general manager Sashi Brown sounded thrilled about adding the second-round pick but didn’t show that same level of enthusiasm for Osweiler.

“We’re really excited to acquire a second round draft choice in this trade,” Brown said in a statement. “Draft picks are extremely important to our approach in building a championship caliber football team. We are intent on adding competition to every position on our roster and look forward to having Brock come in and compete.”

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Kizer still looks pretty raw- ball wobbles when he throws.

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Agreed. Guess the Browns figure they aren’t making the playoffs this year so they might as well develop Kizer (although having a horrendous year might actually stunt his growth rather than help him) instead of going with the crappy Osweiller.

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Wow, Volin’s latest 53 is shocking, but I haven’t really considered Brissett not making it in light of JE11 injury. Also, 5 OT’s?? without any depth on interior except Karras – not smart IMO. And, I’m not sold on O’Shaughnessy, and I’m sick of evaluations for Hollister that only use 2nd string context. Some guys are gamers. And Carr seems like he’s a gamer too. Some guys have a feel for the game and fight for balls, have toughness, excel in pressure. They deserve to have a chance at the bottom of the roster IMO.
bring
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Remember, if you claim a cut player, they must go on your 53.

jdlboot14
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I know I’m on the extreme pessimistic cliff here, but wasting a 2nd rd on Ealy turning out to be a headcase, and hearing all the Moss-esque hype about Cooks – which could easily turn out to be an “Ochocinco” situation and waste of a 1st rd too… We may see another rendition of “just because a WR is great in a free-for-all offense, or looks good in TC, does not mean he’ll be great here”

bring
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Oy – Ealy was free – we only dropped 8 spots in the draft to get him

jdlboot14
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Fair enough. It’s frustrating though, more so because of Nink leaving, and Wise / Rivers being out of commission. Although, I have been impressed by Butler DL

BoSoxJim
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Wise will be back,

bring
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Yes, he took a knee to the back of the head in game 1. His role will prob be situational pass rush

Saturn III
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When Connor started breathing through his mouth after round 4, is when Floyd starting punching finally. Pretty lame fight, glad I didn’t pay for it lol.

Gutted about Edeldude, but they are still loaded and it’s official, Ealy is a bust.

MasterAndCommander
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OK. breakfast time, and the keyboard needs charging again.

jdlboot14
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Hope Amendola has his best year yet – a full 16 games. Hogan is ready to be a major star. Cooks has been invisible, but I hope that’s on purpose, and they’ll start game planning with him once it counts. If Mitchell can come back at full health I still feel okay with WR’s, considering Gronk seems 100% and all of our RB’s are excellent slot receivers. (I do hope Carr makes it now, why not groom the rookie as a 5th WR) In fact, DJ Foster might make it as well – he’s a great slash/slot player with experience… Read more »
MasterAndCommander
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The key to ‘Dola playing 16 games is to keep him away from punt returns. That means someone else has to step up for that. Not sure Cyrus is the man for that though.

bring
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Excellent point – Jules going down pretty much opens the door for C Jones on punts. Look for Dola to take the pressure ones early though

dp73
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I do hope that Amendola does well but I also am concern how durable he will be with an increased workload.

bring
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I agree that Cooks and Hogan get all the snaps, with Dola and Mitchell being in there too, but “managed”

Really like all the options at RB

dp73
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I think some of the passes that would have gone to Edelman could end up go to RB’s like Burkhead, Lewis and White.

bring
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No doubt, and on top of that, Ben Volin suggested that Foster will make the 53 and be converted to WR

BoSoxJim
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That would be a mistake. Foster is a better receiver than runner, but he is not a WR.

bring
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Volin said Foster played WR in college

BoSoxJim
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They switched him to WR mainly because he sucked as a RB.
If BB was planning on keeping him as a WR on the 53, don’t you think he would be playing WR during preseason games?
They tried him briefly at WR during the summer and he was terrible.

bring
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I know you like to disagree with folks out here – I am only passing along info, not giving my opinion (unlike you).

Is it at all possible that a healthy Edelman meant BB didn’t have to consider Foster at WR?

BoSoxJim
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“I know you like to disagree with folks out here”

??????? I’m giving my opinion on what was said. I know, it’s something that you never do here….right?

It makes no sense to sign Foster to the 53 as a WR. If they had played him at WR all during camp and in preseason games, I would probably feel differently.

There is nothing that Foster can do that Lewis, White and Burkhead can’t do.

bring
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Answer the last question

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Your question is irrelevant. If he thought Foster had abilities as a WR then he would have been giving him reps as a WR in practice, and preseason games (regardless of who was ahead of him). That way he could evaluate if Foster could actually contribute to the team as a WR. The one time they had him at WR was during intramural scrimmage in the summer and from all reports, he failed miserably agasint the bottom of the roster DBs. If he had time to develop at WR could he be serviceable? Maybe. But is taking a roster spot… Read more »
bring
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Here is my opinion:

You are taking such a strong stance against Volin because you want Carr to make the 53.

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Foster struggles against a CB press. He needs space to get going

MasterAndCommander
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So….. will the Night King unveil baner #5 Sept. 7? 🙂

bring
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A couple notes from Reiss this morning:

Do your Job II is on NBC next Sunday at 7 – set your DVR.

With Dabol moving to Alabama, O’Shea is next in line at OC (Reiss believes Chad will call the Giants game). Flores still #2 DC.

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Good morning!

Poor Minitron. I hope he can recover like Welker did and come back soon.

Anybody watched the fight last night? As bad as the Mayweather-Pacquiao was, this was only marginally better. Boxing is just one step closer to Pro-wrestling at this stage. Gone are the days of Hagler-Hearns…

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I disagree. I think it was quite enjoyable, they put on a show and it was fun

BoSoxJim
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Mayweather may have won the fight, but it took him 10 rounds vs. a guy in his first boxing match.
If Mayweather had to fight in the octagon, he would have been killed in under a minute.
I hate how Mayweather “fights”. One of the worst champions of all time.

Calipatsfan3473
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Hope everyone in Texas is doing ok- terrible situation. I imagine DPVQ is very busy- hope he’s safe.

bring
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Is it safe to project a 53 yet?

MasterAndCommander
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Edelma’s situation puts a kink in that. # of WRs? # of RBs? Extra TE? I think BrisketMan is off the 53. Not sure if he survives waivers to get to the PS.

bring
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I believe Brissett is safe because they will need him to back up Brady next season.

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‘morning.

bring
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Big night, tonight

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Yep. I suspect a couple of main characters, particularly at the Wall, don’t survive. Can’t see the big meeting going well at all. Possible a couple of main folks at the meeting don’t make it. Not sure the CleganeBowl happens tonight, though it could. I think there will be cliffhangers on:
1. Stark sister situation. (Littlefinger is safe until early next season)
2. Cersie’s trickery.
3. Tyrion’s safety
4. Euron’s survival (the person who plays him says he will die soon)
5. Jon’s parentage

bring
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The Hound took off, so definitely no Clegane Bowl. I think he shows up in Winterfell and officiates the Stark Sister Bowl (much to Littlefinger’s dismay)

MasterAndCommander
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I thought he was with the crew heading to King’s Landing carrying the wight; at least that’s what early photos of the episode showed.

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update: The Hound inclusion is inferred by a blurred characrer of his height. Might not be him.

bring
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Yes, Red Beard gave him a nod, and Eye Patch said, “We will meet again, Clegane.” To which the Hound replied, “I hope not.”

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Hmmm… But I thought it was Tormund and Beric staying behind at the wall.

bring
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You may be right. I assumed Beric was staying with Jon, and The Hound was just heading south.

bring
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Any chance Bran decides to keep Jon’s parents to himself?

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I think so, at least for now since Bran is still in Winterfell and Jon is south at KL. I think it’ll be Sam to tell Jon about his parents, maybe even Gilly. Plus I think the Wall comes down tonight, or at least breached, which will show the dead army heading to Winterfell. The Starks well be in danger as another cliffhanger.

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I think Sam was preoccupied when Gilly read that

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True, but i can’t see Gilly not bringing it up again but maybe not until season 8. Neither of those 2 were in previews for tonight, but with an 80 minte episode, who knows?

I also hope the rumors are true that most, if not all of season 8’s episides will be at leat 90 minutes, This may be why season 8 may not show up until early 2019.

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I. Am. Devastated.

Fare thee well, Minitron.

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This isn’t the end!

Neil X
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I really hope not. But it might be.

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In March, the Patriots had acquired Ealy and a third-round draft choice (No. 72) from the Carolina Panthers in exchange for a second-round pick (No. 64). For an eight-spot slide down the draft board, the Patriots hoped that Ealy — who had fallen out of favor in Carolina — could recapture the form that made him a Super Bowl 50 standout with three sacks.

I am disappoint that Ealy didn’t work out in NE.Sometimes gamble just don’t work out.

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There you are – you were fighting me every step of the way on Ealy, as if I was making up that he was a dog, or that I wanted him gone. I was simply trying to relay local chatter to the many folks out here who are not local.

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I was just trying to give him a fair shot and not hang on every word that comes from practice. I would rather see it for myself
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Case in point is Jimmy Garappolo. I thought the day I went he looked good but others like Bertrain and Zoak said he was been bad. While Jimmy has looked nothing good in the preseason games.

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Fair enough – I was definitely trying to frame it as – this is not my opinion, I am only relaying what I am hearing. I was hoping he would make the team also