Preseason Y Factors 2017: Patriots vs. Jaguars

-by DNOMN8R314

Foxboro, we have football.

After a spring and summer filled with 28-to-3 references, the Patriots are officially focused on 2017. It may be only a preseason game, and the results may be meaningless, but each snap over the next four weeks matters to players trying to crack a deep New England roster.

I’ve seen several players-to-watch-tonight articles today, but this one I hope is somewhat different. As always in my Y Factor posts, I’ll be looking into the back of the roster at players not only on the fringe of the roster but who might be able to sneak onto the practice squad with a good August. Here are my five picks for tonight.

K.J. Maye, WR: The literal 90th man on the roster, signed to replace the retiring Rob Ninkovich, Maye is a second-year slot receiver whose first year was spent on scout teams. With Devin Lucien and Austin Carr the men who are considered the most likely longshots (oxymoron, I know) to make the team, much less thought is being given to the players behind them. But Maye has made some impressive plays in his short time at camp and has received some opportunities as a returner. Despite his minuscule roster chances, a solid preseason could lead to the Patriots keeping Maye as one of their practice squadders, particularly if a cut receiver is claimed by another team.

Brandon Bolden, RB: It may be easy to forget, but Bolden was once used serviceably in the Patriots’ backfield, a jack-of-all-trades, master-of-none style running back. With the emergence of LeGarrette Blount and James White last year, Bolden rarely saw the field except on special teams. When Rex Burkhead and Mike Gillislee were signed this offseason, Bolden’s exit seemed certain. But the sixth-year (!!!) back is still a Patriot, back on a one-year deal, and with Gillislee not expected to play, Bolden may see some time in the backfield. Any offensive production could be considered a bonus, but it might mean the well-liked Bolden could stick around Foxboro a little longer.

Adam Butler, DT: Butler is one of those guys on seemingly every who-to-watch list, and with good reason, as his interior rushing has stood out in recent practices. While I am intrigued by how Butler performs and if he is able to make the team, I also want to see how he is used on the defensive line. Butler did not play exclusively on the defensive interior at Vanderbilt, and if New England’s coaches decide to move him around (and he plays well enough to make the team), it could make a roster spot for another position, particularly defensive end, expendable.

Conor McDermott, T: Feel free to add Cole Croston and Max Rich in this paragraph too. With Nate Solder expected out, backup tackles Cameron Fleming and LaAdrian Waddle -neither of whose name in the lineup impresses – are projected to see a sizable share of snaps tonight. But the battle for fourth tackle is still open, and not much has been said throughout camp about sixth-round choice McDermott or UDFAs Croston and Rich. Any one moment for any of these players could swing momentum in this position battle, one worth following through the rest of the month.

Cyrus Jones, CB: Last preseason, when Jones was the Patriots’ first draft pick with high expectations, seems long ago. After a 2016 filled with muffed punts and an inability to see the field, Jones has not thus far staked a claim on the open fifth cornerback spot, having been passed by Jonathan Jones. With UDFA Kenny Moore II turning heads this offseason and Justin Coleman also in the competition, Jones’ grasp on a roster spot may be more tenuous than his second-year second-round pick would historically suggest. But with games to be played, passes to be defended, and kicks to be returned, neither should Jones be written off yet.

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MasterAndCommander
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Well that was expensive….

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Reiss asked BB how Fournette looked, and got the expected non-answer. That’s not why I mention it. I do so because Reiss should obviously know by now that BB is only about the team, and won’t comment on individuals. The fact that it was a question about a rookie from the other team leads me to believe ESPN forced Reiss to ask it. Unfortunately, fantasy football’s popularity means all the beat writers’ bosses are probably pressuring them for individual player stories. I feel sorry for the writers because they know it’s in opposition to BB’s philosophy, but they have to… Read more »
Dingo
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Adam Schefter reports the Dolphins have placed quarterback Ryan Tannehill on injured reserve.

Calipatsfan3473
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Surgery on his knee this coming week.

Saturn III
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Hugo’s boy, the Egyptian Magician just scored – Mo Salah for Liverpool.

bring
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Does he put large pieces of furniture in his ass?

Anyone, anyone?

Jerky Boys….

Saturn III
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He also eats hot coal….

bring
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I think his name was Torbash

Saturn III
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It was lol

dp73
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Hope that’s the case, but I watched BB’s presser and thought his comment about bad tackling was in reference to 2nd and 3rd stringers being on defense in the preseason game – as in, don’t make too much out of anyone’s performance. I have to go back and watch it again.

bring
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Ok – BB had a 2nd presser yesterday that there is no video of – I just read the transcript, and that’s where the linked above story comes from. Yes, that does make it sound better for Lewis – thanks for posting

SamiG
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” Tell me what is my life without your love, tell me who am i without you…”

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— Christian Fauria

bring
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Nobody cares except you

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I know you care

MasterAndCommander
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Sox bullpen imploding. Have blown a 3-0 lead in the 8th.

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Nunez making an out at third, when he was already in scoring position. “Calculated risk” or idiocy?

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Adding to my whole theory that Christian Fauria is in the closet: https://twitter.com/christianfauria/status/752657278633906176

bring
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Gotta like the ratio there

Calipatsfan3473
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Whatever- is it really important??

NewEnglandBlight
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Important, no.. Funny? HELL YES

Jonc77
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are you happy yet?

NewEnglandBlight
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NOPE

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Well that game was unproductive. Hollister and Carr looked good, but neither is likely to make the team, and I didn’t see anything else to get excited over. Cy Jones is surely a dead man walking, and the whole defensive front seven looked impotent. Wise even got hurt. I’m not worried about the offense for the regular season, but the defense has much to prove to me. And that’s all I have for tonight!

Good night, you training camp hall of famers!!!

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C Jones is your return guy. During the season, if he actually plays defense it’s because someone got hurt or it’s a blowout. The fact he sucked yesterday has no bearing on him making the team, at least this year. Richards on the other hand looks like a goner.

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Big series for the Sox….. If they sweep it puts the Yanks in a bind. 2 out 3 keeps them in control. 1 out of 3…meh. Getting swept..start all over again on playoff positioning

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Who effing cares if Jerry Jones is furious? Whoop di flipping do. I’m so sure NFL owners are shaking in their boots.

MasterAndCommander
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BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAH….. pant,,,pant… BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAAHA

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all right who let MAC inhale the nitrous oxide

bring
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Don’t tell me there’s a Cowboys fan out here?

NewEnglandBlight
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I don’t know who this guests guy is, but he’s been disliking my comments too…

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I know Keionta Davis. He’s an intense dude on the field. Kinda like Vellano in play style, just more suited to the NFL game (3-tech rusher vs 1-tech NT). He had a good game against Alabama’s LT Cam Robinson.

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So in other words he’s a future HOF.

hugowasmyhomeboy
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CFL HOF

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Maybe he’ll be good.

dp73
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I think BB feels that the joint practices are now more important than the preseason games because he came give his starters some work and lessen the chance of injury.

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It makes sense especially with the possibility of losing a preseason game next year.

bring
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You don’t say…..

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Pats waive DB Dwayne Thomas- sign DT Keionta Davis—————————–>

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Sweet! I was hoping the Pats would grab him late or as UDFA. Back injury kept him from being taken. Hopefully this means he is 100% now.

Just doing a drive-by. Be back full time on Monday. Have a great weekend.

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DOnt tell me what to do

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Have a good weekend Jim- and good to see you- hope all is well.

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Vikings RB Bishop Sankey out for season with a torn ACL—————————->

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That might be the end of him.

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Interesting how they played Lewis last night – like he was on the bubble and needed to prove himself. They ran him hard, and I think he passed the test. Foster had some nice plays also, but that fumble won’t bode well for him

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BB does not appreciate fumbling.

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I was also surprised that he played last night – think it does mean he’s on the bubble

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Good deals for Buffalo. They’re not going anywhere anyway. Get a 2nd and 3rd and dump some money.

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Both players were on rookie contracts so they aren’t really dumping much money. I agree on the picks, though

SamiG
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Ravens lose starting guard for the year.

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Already had one retire too.

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Dolphins lost a LB to an ACL last night too.

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Jags waived Tyler Gaffney————————————->

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I like Paul Perillo of Patriots Football Weekly. Last night after Gostkowski is missed the 50 plus FG he mentioned the two long FG he missed against Jacksonville in the joint practices this week. I thought that was a bit unfair. Practice?

Should we be worried about Gostkowski?

SamiG
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Recall the same exchange. Hard to say, but he does appear to have a wicked case of the yips. Mildly surprised there is no competition in camp.

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Let’s just say if he comes in to kick an important fg my heart might burst through my chest.

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While, missing a long yard FG isn’t concerning in isolation, I do think we are at the point where we are worried. There’s a pattern.
But it’s one thing to be worried and another thing to do be at the point where we have to do something. Who is better than Gostkowski?

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I agree about the who is better than Gostkowski comment. If at some point Bill Belichick is more than just worried he would have to take action. I just don’t is any options at this point. Drafting a PK would have been an option.

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I was surprised they did not bring in legitimate competition

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Hasn’t that ship sailed?

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I would think so

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Not unless I say so….

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It’s a tricky spot. One one hand, competition can bring out the best in athletes. On the other, when a player has the yips, the real threat of losing his job can be death knell for his confidence and performance.

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I was kind of surprised that they didn’t bring someone into camp to push him a bit.

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IMO, the comfortable-with-Gostkowski dam broke with the missed kick in this past SB.

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I think there were a few missed during the season that made everyone uncomfortable.

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Nope…AFCCG vs Denver

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Sounds like both Wise and Roberts suffered concussions last night- that’s not good.

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Jags have released OT Brandon Albert———————————–>

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Broncos DE Billy Winn out for the year with an ACL———————————->

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With Ninkovich retiring, I really wish the Pats had traded Jimmy G to the Browns for the #1 overall picks. Miles Garrett would have been nice on our defense.

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No comment

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Yes, I realize I’m alone in this lol

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You’re not alone in wishing for it to happen

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There are very few players in the NFL whom a team would give up a #1 overall pick for. I don’t think Garoppolo is one of them. Not even close

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I’d bet the Bears would rather have Jimmy than Mitch.

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Not sure about that. They gave up a lot to get Mitch. Had to feel strongly about him to do it.

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I have McDaniels coaching the Bears next season. Odds?

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Yeah, that was never going to happen.

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Unless their is an injury with the WRs, I don’t think Carr makes it.

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Yeah – maybe only one or two rooks will make the 53

Neil X
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All 4 of their draft picks will make the 53.

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The top 3 yes. Not sure about the 6th round guy

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I should have said few

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He looked really good against 3s. Let’s see how he does against 1s.

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Weekend’s #RedSox starters—Eduardo Rodriguez, Drew Pomeranz, Chris Sale—have a combined 1.69 ERA in 11 G at Yankee Stadium, per Sox notes
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Exciting series coming up.

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Taking 2 out of 3 would open up a 5.5 game lead in the East.

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I can’t believe how good the Red Sox are this season.

Neil X
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Do you think they have a shot in a playoff series against Houston and the Dodgers?

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They’d be underdogs either way, no doubt. I think they’d have a good shot at Houston.
LA are tough though. That team is they have right now is unbelievable. It’s like an unholy alliance between the Rays and $400M. I’m not sure if I should be mad or impressed.
Either way the Sox are playing awesome baseball. They’ve already exceeded my expectations and I hope they exceed them even more.

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Nunez really gave at the right time. They needed another bat and he has provided something. Probably won’t last but it was nice to have when they did.

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Watching the full game for the first time, I don’t know why people are down on Dion Lewis. He looks like he’s closer to himself in play than he has been in awhile.

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Pony set, baby

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Because he played in the game

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That could be because they only have so many RBs to use, plus, I’m sure they want to see how his knee is holding up. The idea is most guys are better at least a year or two beyond surgery.

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I think Bolden is still important to BB for his STs excellence, and might nudge Lewis out – I wrote last night that I was surprised he played actually

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Respect the opinion, I disagree. Lewis can do punt and kick returns and makes a helluva lot more of an impact than Bolden when he does so (i.e. Texans playoff game).

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Anyone can return kickoffs – BB definitely favors Bolden on STs

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Let me repeat – I was surprised Lewis played last night – I thought for sure he was a roster lock – now not so sure

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REally? He looked far less elusive than I remember, and against much weaker competition (3rd stringers).

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Sadly, I have to agree

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Sorry, but the O-Line the Pats fielded yesterday was hot, liquid garbage.

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Sorry to you – all the RBs last night had to go behind the same line

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Yes, and he average 4.6 yards per carry and only had 1 less yard than Bolden. He wasn’t bad at all.

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I would have felt a lot better if he sat it out like White

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Gotta get reps to see if his knee is in game shape. Everyone can’t sit.

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This week, the important reps came in practice

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You are assuming you know Belichick’s decision making. Like I said, not everyone can sit out all games.

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I like Lewis – hopefully he can get back to what he was a couple years ago

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The line under Coach Goog wasn’t exactly All Pro caliber, but Lewis looked much better then.

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That’s not really true. That season the line was fine UNTIL Solder went down and Lewis was running behind THAT line. Once the injuries took their toll, THEN they were terrible.

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The question is: will Lewis be a casualty if they want Carr on their 53 in order to protect him (factoring in his continued high level of play). He will be snatched up in a heartbeat before he makes the PS, otherwise.

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I’d rather have Lewis who I KNOW can play against REAL NFL competition than Carr who I HOPE can play against top-flight CBs.

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No chance Carr makes the 53

dp73
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It’s only one game. There are 4 more.

Carr could very well make it to the practice squad.A lot of teams have players like Carr that they want to keep too.

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Yes, Carr to the PS makes sense

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I suppose that my question put the Carr before the horse. (JDog in 3…2…1…)

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Was Carr that good last night? I didn’t see the game

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Made a TD catch

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He displayed excellent skills getting open and catching the ball. He played with intelligence and passion. Granted, it was only 1 game, and against 2nd and 3rd stringers.

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Hollister looked better, and played through some nasty hits

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Well if the penalty for not actually deflating footballs is 4 games, it makes sense that the penalty for not actually beating someone is 6 games.

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The whole thing is distinctly NFL.
First it was they probably won’t do anything, then there was a bunch of bad press, then it was “still weighing discipline”, now it’s 6 whole games.

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They started going down the slippery slope once they started punishing players who had not been convicted of anything. The NFL’s capacity to investigate anything is a sham of a mockery.

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Thats said, love the Jerry Jones anger. Taste of their own medicine.

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Weird decisions by the Bills. Got worse at both WR and CB. Watkins wanted to get paid, but you’re going to have to pay Matthews too. Darby is a stud. Great for us.

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Yeah the consensus with my friends as well. Loading up for the draft I guess, but still a headscratcher.

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I’m not going to say it’s the WRONG decision – maybe it’s time for the Bills to look to the future more. But as far as I’m concerned they were the closest thing to a competitor in the AFC East. Seeing them punt on this year to some extent is welcome.

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Right, basically all comes down to how they execute those picks.

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I think it may be an attitude adjustment trade. Sean McDermott could be looking for his type of players and Sammy Watkins my not have been one. He has talent for sure but has been hurt. This is McDermotts first time as HC and he wants to do it his way. Kind of sounds like Bill Belichick.

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Eagles may have been more willing to give up a 2018 3rd because they will be getting either a 3 or 4 back for the Pats in 2018 from the Rowe trade.

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Jerry Jones, August 2016: “I’m all for the power of the commissioner.”
Jones, August 2017: Furious.

On hypocrisy: http://cbsloc.al/2uxX0Pw
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Jerry has suddenly realized that he is the frog, and that Roger is the scorpion.

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He has always been a frog- in fact he resembles one.

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Heh. He thought that Roger was his toady.

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Warts and all.

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The 3 Pats fans are currently on the FBI Witless Protection List. =========>

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To be fair, Roger had their families hostage to get that picture

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Was he actually at the stadium last night??

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Yes. Apparently very briefly.

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Brave of him.

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He disguised himself as Jon Bon Jovi.

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Smart.

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Those 3 guys must’ve said it’s their life, it’s now or never.

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Saw the game highlights. Do Cyrus Jones and Richard’s want to play for pats this year? Clueless…

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Didnt look that way. Jones’ confidence is in the tank.

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They looked terrible.

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Stoke and RedX should date VVVV

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Nice to know the AFCEast isn’t even trying this season. They are so considerate.

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Damn. It’s like the AFCE are not even trying anymore…

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They’ve become a farm system for the Pats.

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Dingo!

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Sami! [bruh hug] How are you?

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Busy but good. Yourself?

Dingo
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The same. The summer indoor/outdoor activities have slowed down.

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NFLN replaying the Pats game now.

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Jerry Jones reportedly was so upset that he punched out a stripper.

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Possession slot receiver in a contract year + Tyrod “my intermediate game is 50 yard bombs” Taylor = hmmmmm

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The Bills now own:
* Chiefs’ 2018 first-round pick
* Rams’ 2018 second-round pick
* Eagles’ 2018 third-round pick

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They may be going for a QB in the draft.

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Uhh Sammy Watkins to the Rams? And Ronald Darby shipped out for Jordan Matthews? WTF is going on in Buffalo?

Also, contrasting Zeke with Josh Brown really illuminates the origin of the puppet strings on Goodell’s back.

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Wow- I thought they liked Sammy.

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Rex liked Sammy because of his bad feet.

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This is true 🙂

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Had a feeling Buffalo wasn’t going to resign Watkins, so they turned him into Jordan Matthews lol.

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They snagged some potentially valuable picks, but Matthews is in a contract year himself. I guess they’re punting this season and maybe trying to godfather for Darnold or something. Two of our three AFCE rivals have gutted themselves. The other has resorted to Jay Cutler.

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Word around here is the Darnold is going to stay in school for another year- doesn’t want to go to the Jets.

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I hope he stays as well. Fight On!

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Ironically the Jags coach (Marrone) quit the Bills because they gave a future first rounder in order to trade up to draft Watkins

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I love when the lawyers come in …

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Adam Schefter
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This is…..pure joy.

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Karma Jerry- don’t mess with the Pats.

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I’m not Hindu so I don’t use the word Karma, but paybacks are a B*tch! Add them to the list who were gassed by Deflategate, lets see Indy, Balt, NYJ – the list keeps getting bigger!

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Yup- what goes around comes around.

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It’s the gift that keeps on giving. You can add the Giants on that list too.

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“Legal authorities concluded that Elliott’s accuser was not credible and rejected charging him. Several witnesses, according to sources close to the case, heard the woman yell at Elliott that she would “ruin his career” when she was unhappy that they would not continue their relationship.”

But, but Roger knows better. NOT. I think this is a shame.

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When he pulled the girl’s shirt up from behind at the St Patrick’s Day parade pretty much did him in – saw that video myself.

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I’d feel bad for Cowboys fans if I didn’t remember how keen Jerry Jones was on getting Tom Brady suspended.

Karma is a b***h, Jerry.

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The song Retribution by Biohazard is a fitting tune for them LOL.

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That is a great band name

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Grew up on them.

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Welp Zeke got 6, will appeal of course, Bet it gets cut to 3 or 2.

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I don’t know- the NFL is trying to make up for the Rice debacle.

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I thought they made up for it by going hard after Brady

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And only suspended Josh Brown for 1 game and got slammed for it.

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Zeke will lose 8+M, might wake him up.

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He should Zeke legal counseling.